German Federal Election - Sept. 24 - Results Thread

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

It seems CDU is increasing slightly in the new projection while AFD is slightly decreasing. Hope this trend continues.

Same. Also, I guess Jamaica will hurt Greens in the next election, no? Why would they want it?

They've been in opposition for more than a decade.

The same was true for the FDP in 2009...

[Oryxslayer]

FDP Lindner now speaking.

[Mike88]

Merkel speaking.

[Hnv1]

Happy to see the FDP back in the mix. Jamaikanischen coalition is better the black-red

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I assume by Merkel's record, both the FDP and Greens will fall out of parliament next election?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The same was true for the FDP in 2009...

Quite so. And that is why they enthusiastically bounded into government. Remember that for politicians power is the thing and elections are but a means of access.

[Diouf]

So the normalisation of Germany in terms of an anti-immigrant party in parliament. A very significant progress for AfD, although today's % of the vote is nothing special compared to similar parties around Europe. But when you listen to SPDs reaction in particular, it seems hard to imagine that AfD will not rise further in the coming years. Using stronger and stronger language of fascism and anti-democracy will very likely not help them, and suggests that they are not at all ready to adopt a tighter immigration policy.

The general process of fragmentation is also clearly visible in this result with big losses for the two big parties, and gains for the smaller parties.

Günther in the front row next to Merkel. Eyeing a spot as her replacement

[Oryxslayer]

I assume by Merkel's record, both the FDP and Greens will fall out of parliament next election?

Considering this is Merkel's last term in government,  the landscape will be much different come the next election.

[Bumaye]

A minor thing that gives me some relief: There wouldn't be a majority for CDU/CSU and AfD. I believe that the FDP is at least in that case steadfast enough to not work with the AfD but the Union in 4 years? Looking at Austria that doesn't seem impossible. Good that it is mathematically impossible for now.  
  
Also Jamaica - which means a conservative Green party - will mean big gains for Die Linke next time around.

[Oryxslayer]

Weidel speaking.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

turnout at 76.5% (+5%) according to ZDF

[mvd10]

I assume by Merkel's record, both the FDP and Greens will fall out of parliament next election?

CDU/CSU majority with Jens SPAHN as chancellor?

[mileslunn]

It looks like worst showing ever for SPD, but isn't this also one of if not the worst showing ever for CDU/CSU.  Certainly the AfD doing well is a disappointment for some although I think the fact you had no real opposition played a part.  Whenever you have the two main parties in government those unhappy with the government are going to have go elsewhere.  The SPD choosing to go into opposition is a smart move and will probably help them in 2021.  Not necessarily enough to win, but at least they should do a bit better. 

Interestingly enough I actually think the best way to destroy the AfD is bring them into government as I find the far right when a junior partner people see them close up and how incompetent they are so rather than being just a protest vote, people take them seriously and they tend to implode the following election.  Look at what happened to the FPO in 2006 after being a junior partner or what is happening to the Finns Party in Finland.  Still due to Germany's history I doubt they will ever be included.  My understanding is the four main parties have an agreement they will not go into coalitions with parties on either the far right or far left.  I must say as a moderate Conservative in Canada, I am glad to see conservatives elsewhere taking that stance as our conservatives in North America sure seem to love to play footsie with the hard right.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

I assume by Merkel's record, both the FDP and Greens will fall out of parliament next election?

CDU/CSU majority with Jens SPAHN as chancellor?

🤢Perish the thought!🤢

[Oryxslayer]

AfD calls for an inquiry into Merkel and her handling of the refugee crisis...though who would give them the support in the opposition to carry out such a inquiry? Only perhaps Linke.

Ironically, this sounds a lot like Clinton v Chaffetz.

[Hnv1]

What will the green demand in the coalition talks?

[Simfan34]

Wasn't there talk of the CSU fielding candidates in the rest of Germany, running to the right of the CDU?

[Dutch Conservative]

Seehofer said on ARD the Union has opened 'a gap' on the right, he warned for that. Says they have to close it as soon as possible by pushing forward a policy of 'Germany that stays Germany'. Already one can notice the influence of AfD. Great result for AfD and for Germany!

[Beezer]

With state elections coming up in Bavaria and the CSU losing 10 points at home, coalition negotiations with the Greens should be far from easy.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

What will the green demand in the coalition talks?

Probably no upper limit for new refugees, Diesel ban, state funding of electric vehicles and class action.

[Tender Branson]

With state elections coming up in Bavaria and the CSU losing 10 points at home, coalition negotiations with the Greens should be far from easy.

Yeah ...

When Gov. Seehofer was speaking, he said the "CSU will shore up their right flank in the next months, which they lost to the AfD".

A very promising quote when it comes to coalition talks with the Greens ...

[TheSaint250]

Where is there a live map?

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Where is there a live map?

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-2017-alle-ergebnisse-im-ueberblick-a-1167247.html

[TheSaint250]

Where is there a live map?

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-2017-alle-ergebnisse-im-ueberblick-a-1167247.html

Thanks!

[Hydera]

Some people on twitter are saying that SPD just by going into opposition and turning more leftwing(idk how thats going to work considering Schulz has been SPD's most leftwing leader since pre-Schroder) will regain AfD voters just like Labour in the UK did with UKIP voters.

Spoiler alert Labour under Corbyn was able to gain UKIP voters by not just campaigning on inequality but also promising to end free movement and not reverse brexit. Its not as clear cut as they think.