Will NOW Defend This Woman

[Alcon]

Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If NOW comes out in defense of this woman post the link and ayour point will be completely valid, until then STFU.

This reminds me of Richius' retarded "liberalism at work in _______" threads.

[dazzleman]

No because as Texasgurl pointed out you were wrong to begin with because the case had nothing to do with NOW.

If NOW had come out in defense of this woman, you would have a valid point. They have not as of now, so you do not.

This is quite similar to many posts bandit has made.

So now you've changed the issue.  Typical tactic for somebody who was wrong to begin with.

Your original question was whether NOW had supported Andrea Yates.  You initially doubted that they had, and I showed you that they did.

And cases like this have everything to do with NOW, since they have defended behavior similar to this in the past.

[The Dowager Mod]

So some woman hurts a child and the first thing you think is to try and involve NOW somehow.

I thought the question was worth asking given NOW's history of defending reprehensible behavior by women while at the same time strongly condemning the same behavior by men.

Call me crazy, but to me, equal rights means a single standard of behavior.  Clearly, NOW is not really for equal rights.

At least let them screw up before you attack.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

Does in't it remind you of bandit and school uniforms?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Your original question was whether NOW had supported Andrea Yates.  You initially doubted that they had, and I showed you that they did.

That was jfern, not me you fcking moron. OWNED.

[Alcon]

Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

Does in't it remind you of bandit and school uniforms?

Not really.  Bandit's paranoia is less justified.  I can understand why he feels this way, but not why it is such an ultra-important issue to him.

[dazzleman]

Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

I go after this issue because I think radical feminists are given a free ride by many people because they have effectively disarmed their opposition by claiming that they are for "equal rights" when nothing is further from the truth.

I think that all men should be concerned about the ability of feminists to use the legal system to harm us when we have done nothing wrong.  In my opinion, it is one of the most unrecognized dangers out there, and I guess that's why I tend to harp on the issue.

I do have indirect personal experience with the issue, though luckily I have not fallen victim to it yet.  But I know several people who have nearly lost their jobs due to false allegations of sexual harassment by women who were either crazy or looking to gain advantage through making such accusations.  The system is set up to support women who do these types of things.  I have seen the hostility with which fathers, and men in general, are treated by family courts.

As I said, I have no direct personal experience with this, and I'm very grateful for that.  But any one of us could, and I find that guys are very slow to wake up to these dangers.

So please forgive me for harping on this issue.  I realize that it is one of my pet peeves, but I don't think it's right to replace one form of discrimination with another.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I go after this issue because I think radical feminists are given a free ride by many people because they have effectively disarmed their opposition by claiming that they are for "equal rights" when nothing is further from the truth.

false. You are confusing radical feminists with all feminists.

Please explain to me what is wrong with Annie Sprinkle.

[J. J.]

When the  did NOW support those? Got a link?

Before I post a link, will you agree that it would be reprehensible for NOW to have rallied to the support of Andrea Yates?

I didn't see anything on Lorenna Bobbit. That was dumb of them to support Yates, but they were just doing it because they oppose the death penalty for the mentally ill.

Well, actually, the third link does:

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http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1562

I note that she never wrote back denying it, nor sued the writer for claiming it.

[angus]

I agree feminism is a nasty sexist cause.  But then I'm an egalitarian.  I believe Dazzleman is too.  But if I were a bitter old c**nt I might not be.  I might be a feminist instead.  Just like I might be a masculinist if I were a bitter old man.  But you can't change attitudes by attack, and I'm still mystified that there are anti-male bigots and anti-female bigots.  Either way, I'm no big fan of NOW either. 

That said, it's true that you are assigning a position to them that they haven't taken, Dazzleman.  That seems a bit unjustified.  I don't know the details of the current case.  And, let's remind ourselves that it was a panel of Houstonians who decided Andrea Yates shouldn't be imprisoned, not NOW.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If Bobbit's wife had abused her, there was nothing wrong with what she did.

Wouldn't it be great if women in Afghanistan under the Taliban had grabbed Taliban soldiers and cut off their penises?

[A18]

Why does it matter if he abused her?

[dazzleman]

I agree feminism is a nasty sexist cause.  But then I'm an egalitarian.  I believe Dazzleman is too.  But if I were a bitter old c**nt I might not be.  I might be a feminist instead.  Just like I might be a masculinist if I were a bitter old man.  But you can't change attitudes by attack, and I'm still mystified that there are anti-male bigots and anti-female bigots.  Either way, I'm no big fan of NOW either. 

That said, it's true that you are assigning a position to them that they haven't taken, Dazzleman.  That seems a bit unjustified.  I don't know the details of the current case.  And, let's remind ourselves that it was a panel of Houstonians who decided Andrea Yates shouldn't be imprisoned, not NOW.

Remember, I only asked if NOW would support this woman.  They might or might not.

It's funny to see the venom that comes from certain people just from asking a question about NOW.  It's true that NOW supported Andrea Yates and Lorena Bobbitt.  Why is it such a problem to say so?

It seems these people are a bit defensive about this organization, and the philosophy behind it.

[dazzleman]

If Bobbit's wife had abused her, there was nothing wrong with what she did.

Wouldn't it be great if women in Afghanistan under the Taliban had grabbed Taliban soldiers and cut off their penises?

So you think it's OK for a wife to cut off her husband's penis if he abuses her?  Would it be OK to cut off a woman's breast if she abused her husband, or cheated on him?

You really are a retard.

[A18]

BRTD is either completely ignorant of history (very possible) or wants to hand out medals for butchering innocent people in front of their families. Thus, I don't see why he should care whether there was abuse or not.

[angus]

I stand corrected.  I see that you did not make any such assumptions.

I mostly jumped in because I agree with your general feelings about pitting the sexes against each other, I think.  We've discussed it many times.  And I agree organizations like NOW and their male counterparts do more harm than good.

anyway, I don't have any guess one way or the other about the current case.  so I'll just duck out.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If Bobbit's wife had abused her, there was nothing wrong with what she did.

Wouldn't it be great if women in Afghanistan under the Taliban had grabbed Taliban soldiers and cut off their penises?

So you think it's OK for a wife to cut off her husband's penis if he abuses her?  Would it be OK to cut off a woman's breast if she abused her husband, or cheated on him?

Abused yes, cheated no.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

BRTD is either completely ignorant of history (very possible) or wants to hand out medals for butchering innocent people in front of their families. Thus, I don't see why he should care whether there was abuse or not.

I absolutely despise the IRA. However I am not bothered about time the time when they attacked the home of a murderous UVF commander, dragged him outside, and then shot him in front of his wife.

[dazzleman]

I stand corrected.  I see that you did not make any such assumptions.

I mostly jumped in because I agree with your general feelings about pitting the sexes against each other, I think.  We've discussed it many times.  And I agree organizations like NOW and their male counterparts do more harm than good.

anyway, I don't have any guess one way or the other about the current case.  so I'll just duck out.

No problem.  I oppose both masculism and feminism, as you do.  I think it's stupid to make enemies of the two sexes, as I think feminism in particular has done.

It's very interesting to watch the hate that liberals spew when anybody uses facts to question their orthodoxy.  Liberalism as it stands today is true an ugly philosophy, and this thread proves it.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I stand corrected.  I see that you did not make any such assumptions.

I mostly jumped in because I agree with your general feelings about pitting the sexes against each other, I think.  We've discussed it many times.  And I agree organizations like NOW and their male counterparts do more harm than good.

anyway, I don't have any guess one way or the other about the current case.  so I'll just duck out.

No problem.  I oppose both masculism and feminism, as you do.  I think it's stupid to make enemies of the two sexes, as I think feminism in particular has done.

It's very interesting to watch the hate that liberals spew when anybody uses facts to question their orthodoxy.  Liberalism as it stands today is true an ugly philosophy, and this thread proves it.

You ddin't explain what's wrong with Annie Sprinkle.

[A18]

BRTD is either completely ignorant of history (very possible) or wants to hand out medals for butchering innocent people in front of their families. Thus, I don't see why he should care whether there was abuse or not.

I absolutely despise the IRA. However I am not bothered about time the time when they attacked the home of a murderous UVF commander, dragged him outside, and then shot him in front of his wife.

The people John Brown murdered had done nothing wrong. They owned no slaves, and their only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Everett]

I stand corrected. I see that you did not make any such assumptions.

I mostly jumped in because I agree with your general feelings about pitting the sexes against each other, I think. We've discussed it many times. And I agree organizations like NOW and their male counterparts do more harm than good.

anyway, I don't have any guess one way or the other about the current case. so I'll just duck out.

No problem. I oppose both masculism and feminism, as you do. I think it's stupid to make enemies of the two sexes, as I think feminism in particular has done.

It's very interesting to watch the hate that liberals spew when anybody uses facts to question their orthodoxy. Liberalism as it stands today is true an ugly philosophy, and this thread proves it.

You ddin't explain what's wrong with Annie Sprinkle.

Why don't YOU explain who Annie Sprinkle is? Her name makes me think of a porn star.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

She is a prominent feminist author who supports porn.

[dazzleman]

[Why don't YOU explain who Annie Sprinkle is? Her name makes me think of a porn star.

Exactly.  This is a standard BRTD tactic.  When he's wrong on the overall question, which is basically all the time, he starts to argue over some obscure detail.

I don't know who Annie Sprinkle is, and I couldn't care less.