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« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2005, 11:47:33 PM »
Quote from: Jake on September 14, 2005, 09:27:25 PM
Could someone post the bill in its present form please?

Revenue Bill of 2005

1. All recipients of Social Security benefits may have the option provided on every social security check of no longer receiving social security benefits.  If a person chooses to no longer receive social security benefits, they shall no longer have to pay taxes.

2. If at any point a former recipient shall again like to receive social security benefits, they shall contact the Social Security Administration, at which point their benefits shall resume the next month.

3. Upon the signature of the President, this bill shall take immediate effect.
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« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2005, 12:05:32 AM »
I suppose I should say why I was the lone Nay.

The phrase "they shall no longer have to pay taxes" is ambiguous.  Shall they no longer pay income tax as well?

Furthermore, I believe that anyone paying into Social Security, and not just people currently receiving checks from the government, should be able to opt out of the program.  I will be introducing legislation to this effect in the future.  This bill, as it passed, would increase the burden on those paying into the system by allowing some people to opt out but not others.

I urge the President to veto this bill so that retirees will not be legally permitted to stop paying all taxes within the Republic of Atlasia.
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« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2005, 12:32:55 AM »
Quote from: Q on September 15, 2005, 12:05:32 AM
The phrase "they shall no longer have to pay taxes" is ambiguous.  Shall they no longer pay income tax as well?

Good point.  Why didn't you say something before voting occurred (or did I miss it?)?
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« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2005, 06:01:15 AM »
Here's the amendment:

Section One is hereby changed to:

1. All recipients of Social Security benefits may have the option provided on every social security check of no longer receiving social security benefits.  If a person chooses to no longer receive social security benefits, they shall no longer have to pay social security taxes.

I'm really not sure if we need an amendment, or we could just change it.  The whole Senate knew what was meant, so couldn't the PPT or VP just change on their own?
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« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2005, 02:09:52 PM »
Quote from: Senator True Independent on September 15, 2005, 06:01:15 AM
Here's the amendment:

Section One is hereby changed to:

1. All recipients of Social Security benefits may have the option provided on every social security check of no longer receiving social security benefits.  If a person chooses to no longer receive social security benefits, they shall no longer have to pay social security taxes.

I'm really not sure if we need an amendment, or we could just change it.  The whole Senate knew what was meant, so couldn't the PPT or VP just change on their own?
If there is no objection, the technical amendment is adopted without a vote.
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« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2005, 02:41:03 PM »
Quote from: Senator Gabu on September 15, 2005, 12:32:55 AM
Why didn't you say something before voting occurred (or did I miss it?)?

I meant to being it up, but I kept forgetting.


I have no objections to the technical amendment, Mr. Vice President.
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« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2005, 04:14:47 PM »
Aye for the record.
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« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2005, 07:25:23 AM »
1. All recipients of Social Security benefits may have the option provided on every Social Security check of no longer receiving Social Security benefits.  If a person chooses to no longer receive Social Security benefits, he shall no longer have to pay Social Security taxes.

2. If at any point a former recipient shall again like to receive Social Security benefits, he shall contact the Social Security Administration, at which point his benefits shall resume the next month.

3. Upon the signature of the President, this bill shall take immediate effect.

The question is on final passage; all those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.
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« Reply #58 on: September 17, 2005, 07:28:39 AM »
Aye.  How much will this save, 500 thousand? Maybe a million?  *shrug* anything that saves money is good.
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« Reply #59 on: September 17, 2005, 09:13:27 AM »
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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2005, 09:53:53 AM »
Aye

I wanted to try to save more money, but this is as good as it gets I guess.
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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2005, 10:11:59 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2005, 11:22:04 AM »
Quote from: Senator True Independent on September 17, 2005, 09:53:53 AM
Aye

I wanted to try to save more money, but this is as good as it gets I guess.

The senate is never going to do anything bold. Accept it like I did.
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« Reply #63 on: September 17, 2005, 11:29:38 AM »
Nay

Most citizens doesn't both pay Social Security taxes as well as receive benefits at the same time, so the provisions described could never be acted upon.  Furthermore, if a citizen were to invoke Section 2, would he have to begin paying the Social Security taxes again?  I don't think the text of this bill would compel him to do so.
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« Reply #64 on: September 17, 2005, 04:38:23 PM »
« Edited: September 17, 2005, 05:06:56 PM by Senator Porce »
Nay

Although the amended bill is infinitely better than it was in original form, there are still some problems with it.
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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2005, 07:48:06 PM »
Aye
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« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2005, 05:08:31 PM »
Okay people, let's finish the voting on this!

Tally so far:

Aye: 5
Nay: 2
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« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2005, 05:10:10 PM »
Aye, I guess.
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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2005, 05:13:08 PM »
With six Ayes, the bill has enough votes to pass; Senators have 24 hours to vote or change their votes.
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« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2005, 06:52:03 PM »
There have voted:
Aye: 6
No: 2

The bill is passed and presented to the President for his signature.
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« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2005, 06:16:22 PM »
I hereby veto this legislation.
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« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2005, 06:22:18 PM »
Yay, Siege's first veto. Grin
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« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2005, 06:57:28 PM »
Does Sen. True Independent wish that the Senate consider a veto override, or does he wish to withdraw the bill?
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« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2005, 07:07:00 PM »
Mr. President, what problems do you have with the bill?
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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2005, 09:46:15 PM »
Quote from: Emsworth on September 23, 2005, 06:57:28 PM
Does Sen. True Independent wish that the Senate consider a veto override, or does he wish to withdraw the bill?

I wish to motion to override the veto.
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