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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2004, 12:31:21 pm »
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Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

Er... I think I know a little bit about Christianity seeing as I base my moral and political beliefs on it...
Hatemongering is Unchristian.
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First of all, whatever Unitarian beliefs you have are not Christian.

Following Christian teaching is not hatemongering.

Predestination(the version to which I am sure you are reffering) is a heretical Protestant theory to which I do not subscribe

1) I am not a Unitarian (I'm a Methodist)
2) Hatemongering is not Christian teaching.
3) Predestination is not heretical (I'm not sure if it's right or not though) and Protestantism is not heretical.

1) Just as bad
2)Once again, following Chuch doctrine is not hatemongering.
3) Predestination rejects free will( Catholic doctrine), and therefore is heretical. Protestantism rejects many Christian teachings and is heretical

Sectarian bigot

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2004, 12:36:20 pm »
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I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

Why do you support excommunicating McGreevey, but you do not feel the same way towards Giuliani?  Their stance on abortion in exactly the same.
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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2004, 12:37:22 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2004, 12:39:15 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...

I would imagine you're talking to aaron.
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2004, 12:39:46 pm »
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I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

Why do you support excommunicating McGreevey, but you do not feel the same way towards Giuliani?  Their stance on abortion in exactly the same.

Giuliani is not trying to defy anybody or make a political statement. McGreevey has come out publicly and has said the church is wrong.
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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2004, 12:41:30 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.
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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2004, 12:46:13 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.

I understand it
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« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2004, 12:46:52 pm »
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Now you guys see why I stay away from religion?  Look at the hatred it causes.
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« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2004, 12:49:45 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.

I understand it

If you understand the Bible then you would have a problem with people like McGreevey.
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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2004, 12:50:31 pm »
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I'm through here...you two go rip each other's heads off.
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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2004, 12:57:47 pm »
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Aaron, are you completely brainwashed?

BTW, where are you in Virginia? I'm in Lynchburg
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« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2004, 01:22:46 pm »
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Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.

I understand it

If you understand the Bible then you would have a problem with people like McGreevey.

I don't like McGreevey anyway... but banning him from communion is wrong...
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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2004, 01:24:12 pm »
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Aaron, are you completely brainwashed?

BTW, where are you in Virginia? I'm in Lynchburg

Welcome back, Duke Fan!
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« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2004, 01:33:41 pm »
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The Church can do whatever it wants....
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« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2004, 10:23:00 pm »
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I knew this Newark cop who told me that McGreevey used to attend gay sex orgies when he was the mayor of Newark, New Jersey.  He swears it.  So, if true, its a double whammy, he loves aborting babies and he loves gay sex.  No communion for him.  The priesthood, maybe, but no communion.  
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« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2004, 10:28:10 pm »
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I knew this Newark cop who told me that McGreevey used to attend gay sex orgies when he was the mayor of Newark, New Jersey.  He swears it.  So, if true, its a double whammy, he loves aborting babies and he loves gay sex.  No communion for him.  The priesthood, maybe, but no communion.  

OK, I guess I let my Jr. Member status go to my head.  I was way out of line with the above post.  Plus, he was never the mayor of Newark.  He was the mayor of Woodbridge.  I can't stand him.  
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« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2004, 11:01:33 pm »
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I knew this Newark cop who told me that McGreevey used to attend gay sex orgies when he was the mayor of Newark, New Jersey.  He swears it.  So, if true, its a double whammy, he loves aborting babies and he loves gay sex.  No communion for him.  The priesthood, maybe, but no communion.  

you're an offensive idiot
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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2004, 01:13:23 pm »
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I knew this Newark cop who told me that McGreevey used to attend gay sex orgies when he was the mayor of Newark, New Jersey.  He swears it.  So, if true, its a double whammy, he loves aborting babies and he loves gay sex.  No communion for him.  The priesthood, maybe, but no communion.  

you're an offensive idiot

Senator Harry, sorry, I was out of line with that post.  As soon as I wrote it, I wish that I hadn't.  

I do hate McGreevey though.  Its one thing to sit in your house as a Catholic and have your beliefs about being pro-choice.  Entirely another to campaign on the abortion issue, use it to garner votes, accept massive campaign contributions from Planned Parenthood, Emily's List, NARAL etc.  Those organizations are funded in part from the money that women spend on abortions.  Abortions aren't free, I would imagine that the scared women who walk into the abortion clinics pay hundreds of dollars to have their baby aborted.  Some of the money goes to the clinic to pay the staff, some goes to the corporate PParenthood and some of that makes it to political candidates.  As a good Christian, I find abortion repulsive and an abomination.  I could never in good conscience, support any candidate who is pro-choice.  Someone like Rudy G., otherwise qualified, would lose my vote over the abortion issue.  My litmus test is, if a candidate can't say "I am pro-life" then that guy ain't getting my vote.  
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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2004, 02:41:07 pm »
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Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

Er... I think I know a little bit about Christianity seeing as I base my moral and political beliefs on it...
Hatemongering is Unchristian.
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BTW exactly who will be saved is a complex theological debate going back hundreds of years... Look at the different predestination theories.

First of all, whatever Unitarian beliefs you have are not Christian.

Following Christian teaching is not hatemongering.

Predestination(the version to which I am sure you are reffering) is a heretical Protestant theory to which I do not subscribe

1) I am not a Unitarian (I'm a Methodist)
2) Hatemongering is not Christian teaching.
3) Predestination is not heretical (I'm not sure if it's right or not though) and Protestantism is not heretical.

1) Just as bad
2)Once again, following Chuch doctrine is not hatemongering.
3) Predestination rejects free will( Catholic doctrine), and therefore is heretical. Protestantism rejects many Christian teachings and is heretical

Sectarian bigot

What Al (the fellow Methodist Smiley) said.

I went to a Catholic wedding once.  It was really sweet and touching (I almost got a little teary because of a combination of my hormones, the setting and the traditionalist way of doing it, and the fact that the bride was my favorite cousin Smiley), except for the fact that my mom (a former Catholic) told me not to go up to recieve communion because she thought she remembered they didn't give it to non-Catholics.

Sheesh.
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2004, 02:59:34 pm »
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I went to a Catholic wedding once.  It was really sweet and touching (I almost got a little teary because of a combination of my hormones, the setting and the traditionalist way of doing it, and the fact that the bride was my favorite cousin Smiley), except for the fact that my mom (a former Catholic) told me not to go up to recieve communion because she thought she remembered they didn't give it to non-Catholics.

that is correct about Communion.

and fellow Catholics will think this quite signifant--I was confirmed today.
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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2004, 03:04:43 pm »
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I went to a Catholic wedding once.  It was really sweet and touching (I almost got a little teary because of a combination of my hormones, the setting and the traditionalist way of doing it, and the fact that the bride was my favorite cousin Smiley), except for the fact that my mom (a former Catholic) told me not to go up to recieve communion because she thought she remembered they didn't give it to non-Catholics.

that is correct about Communion.

and fellow Catholics will think this quite signifant--I was confirmed today.

Congrats Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2004, 05:50:48 pm »
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Just so you know, I am Catholic, and I would never support denying Communion to anyone.  It is simply hypcritical, and I want yall to know that every Catholic isn't an idiot.

You're not Catholic if you believe that. That's actually heresy you're saying.

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He is not 'against the church'.  He does not agree with every last thing the pope (or some other bishop or w/e they call them) says.

Yes he is. If he doesn't like something the church says and so simply goes against it, he's against the church, and therefore not in communion. He's heretical.

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If you excommunicate all pro-choice catholics you excommunicate a helluva lot of people...like RUDY GIULIANI (REPUBLICAN).

(Giuliani is also against a PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN!  OFF WITH HIS HEAD!)

Yes, Rudy Giuliani isn't truly a Catholic, and neither are most nominal Catholics today.

And yes, being pro-choice is very much so a sin. Being pro-choice is equally as bad as being pro-holocaust.
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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2004, 05:53:15 pm »
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Just so you know, I am Catholic, and I would never support denying Communion to anyone.  It is simply hypcritical, and I want yall to know that every Catholic isn't an idiot.

You're not Catholic if you believe that. That's actually heresy you're saying.

I meant that I wouldn't support denying communion to anyone who is Catholic.
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2004, 05:55:30 pm »
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Well, yes. You cannot deny sacraments to CATHOLICS, but Kerry is not Catholic; he's excommunicated (anyone who supports abortion with full knowledge of Chruch teachings is automatically).
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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2004, 06:06:45 pm »
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Well, yes. You cannot deny sacraments to CATHOLICS, but Kerry is not Catholic; he's excommunicated (anyone who supports abortion with full knowledge of Chruch teachings is automatically).

funny that you'd say that when you just on another board encouraged capital punishment to be more common--it too has been condemned by the church.
we should all try to be less judgmental.
and if Kerry wants Communion, it should be given to him--God can decide what to do with him, but we should not
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