McGreevey Forbidden from receiving communion

[Aaron]

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-bishop-communion,0,191450.story

"BLACKWOOD, N.J. -- The incoming leader of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Camden said that he would not serve Holy Communion to Gov. James E. McGreevey, a divorced Catholic who supports abortion rights."

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This is terrible.  Just pathetic.

If you are against the church, why should you be able to take part in its most sacred practice?

[Aaron]

If you are against the church, why should you be able to take part in its most sacred practice?

He is not 'against the church'.  He does not agree with every last thing the pope (or some other bishop or w/e they call them) says.

He is certainly not WITH the church. The pope has said abortion is wrong, and that cannot be questioned as the pope is infallible. He is AGAINST fundamental Catholic doctrine, and therefore should be excommunicated. He is a heretic.

[Aaron]

He is certainly not WITH the church. The pope has said abortion is wrong, and that cannot be questioned as the pope is infallible. He is AGAINST fundamental Catholic doctrine, and therefore should be excommunicated. He is a heretic.

If you excommunicate all pro-choice catholics you excommunicate a helluva lot of people...like RUDY GIULIANI (REPUBLICAN).

(Giuliani is also against a PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN!  OFF WITH HIS HEAD!)

I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

[Aaron]

He is certainly not WITH the church. The pope has said abortion is wrong, and that cannot be questioned as the pope is infallible. He is AGAINST fundamental Catholic doctrine, and therefore should be excommunicated. He is a heretic.

If you excommunicate all pro-choice catholics you excommunicate a helluva lot of people...like RUDY GIULIANI (REPUBLICAN).

(Giuliani is also against a PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN!  OFF WITH HIS HEAD!)

I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

Excommunicating someone is removing them from the body of Christ.  By denying them Communion you are doing just that.

McGreevey has already removed himself from the body of Christ. Communion is for believers.

[Aaron]

Denying someone Communion based on his sins is totally hypocritcal.

And being pro-choice is not a sin.

Nobody is denying anyone communion for thier sins. they are denying them communion for thier support of sin.

[Aaron]

He is certainly not WITH the church. The pope has said abortion is wrong, and that cannot be questioned as the pope is infallible. He is AGAINST fundamental Catholic doctrine, and therefore should be excommunicated. He is a heretic.

If you excommunicate all pro-choice catholics you excommunicate a helluva lot of people...like RUDY GIULIANI (REPUBLICAN).

(Giuliani is also against a PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN!  OFF WITH HIS HEAD!)

I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

Excommunicating someone is removing them from the body of Christ.  By denying them Communion you are doing just that.

McGreevey has already removed himself from the body of Christ. Communion is for believers.

Your attitude is unchristian

Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

[Aaron]

Denying someone Communion based on his sins is totally hypocritcal.

And being pro-choice is not a sin.

Nobody is denying anyone communion for thier sins. they are denying them communion for thier support of sin.

Eh?

Abortion is a sin. The church does not deny communion to women who have had abortions and are remorseful for thier sin. It should deny communion to those who support that sin.

[Aaron]

Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

Er... I think I know a little bit about Christianity seeing as I base my moral and political beliefs on it...
Hatemongering is Unchristian.
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BTW exactly who will be saved is a complex theological debate going back hundreds of years... Look at the different predestination theories.

First of all, whatever Unitarian beliefs you have are not Christian.

Following Christian teaching is not hatemongering.

Predestination(the version to which I am sure you are reffering) is a heretical Protestant theory to which I do not subscribe

[Aaron]

Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

Er... I think I know a little bit about Christianity seeing as I base my moral and political beliefs on it...
Hatemongering is Unchristian.
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BTW exactly who will be saved is a complex theological debate going back hundreds of years... Look at the different predestination theories.

First of all, whatever Unitarian beliefs you have are not Christian.

Following Christian teaching is not hatemongering.

Predestination(the version to which I am sure you are reffering) is a heretical Protestant theory to which I do not subscribe

1) I am not a Unitarian (I'm a Methodist)
2) Hatemongering is not Christian teaching.
3) Predestination is not heretical (I'm not sure if it's right or not though) and Protestantism is not heretical.

1) Just as bad
2)Once again, following Chuch doctrine is not hatemongering.
3) Predestination rejects free will( Catholic doctrine), and therefore is heretical. Protestantism rejects many Christian teachings and is heretical

[Aaron]

Why, because I think people should be held responsible for thier actions? You don't know the first thing about Chistianity. Christ only forgives those that want to be forgiven, not those that support anti-Christian behavior without remorse.

Er... I think I know a little bit about Christianity seeing as I base my moral and political beliefs on it...
Hatemongering is Unchristian.
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BTW exactly who will be saved is a complex theological debate going back hundreds of years... Look at the different predestination theories.

First of all, whatever Unitarian beliefs you have are not Christian.

Following Christian teaching is not hatemongering.

Predestination(the version to which I am sure you are reffering) is a heretical Protestant theory to which I do not subscribe

1) I am not a Unitarian (I'm a Methodist)
2) Hatemongering is not Christian teaching.
3) Predestination is not heretical (I'm not sure if it's right or not though) and Protestantism is not heretical.

1) Just as bad
2)Once again, following Chuch doctrine is not hatemongering.
3) Predestination rejects free will( Catholic doctrine), and therefore is heretical. Protestantism rejects many Christian teachings and is heretical

Sectarian bigot

If faithful Catholics are sectarian bigots, then I'm guilty as charged!

[Aaron]

I am not for excommunicating Giuliani, but am I do support denying him communion

Why do you support excommunicating McGreevey, but you do not feel the same way towards Giuliani?  Their stance on abortion in exactly the same.

Giuliani is not trying to defy anybody or make a political statement. McGreevey has come out publicly and has said the church is wrong.

[Aaron]

Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.

[Aaron]

Go away and read the Bible...

Your the one who bases your "moral and political beliefs" on something you don't understand.

I understand it

If you understand the Bible then you would have a problem with people like McGreevey.