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« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2004, 07:26:18 PM »
Quote from: KEmperor on May 09, 2004, 02:30:53 PM
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You got that right!
Some of these questions are a bit odd:

12. Democracy (i.e., majority rule) is an inefficient, tyrannical, and hedonistic form of government.

And always referring to the collective?

I agree that some of the questions are a bit odd.

No. 8 combines "border control" (which I support) and a "planned population policy" which I oppose.

Also, the terminology of the ratings uses the european definition of "liberal" where Americans use the term "libertarian" to avoid the confusion of terms.

According to the rankings (with the caveats I have noted), they say I rank:

 #1.) Liberal
 #2.) Left-Wing Neo-liberal
 #3)  Right-Wing Neo-Liberal
 #4.) American Conservative
 #5.) Social-Liberal
 #6.) Liberal Nationalist
 #7.) Burkean (liberal) Conservative
 #8.) American "Liberal"
 #9.) Social Democratic
#10.) Christian Democratic
#11.) Anarcho-Communist
#12.) Marxist
#13.) Liberal Socialist
#14.) National Socialist
#14.) Facist
#16.) Revolutionary Conserviative/Monarchist
#17.) Soviet "Communist"
#18.) Christian Socialist

I also took the Presidential Preference test, and (surprise) prefered Bush to Kerry 82 to 35.

Another 'liberal' for Bush!  HeHe.

Um...you Americans are the ones confusing terms. Libertarians are neo-liberals and not comparable to European liberals.

Liberal comes from the word for freedom, liber, so the European usage is defnitely more correct. Smiley

No, libertarians are what can be called "classical liberals."  The modern "liberal" is better termed a neo-liberal, because its a new thing.
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« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2004, 08:31:31 PM »
Quote from: lidaker on May 09, 2004, 12:50:05 PM
I'm actually pretty proud of my result. But I don't understand the term "left-wing neoliberal".

#1 Social-Liberal
#2 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#3 Liberal
#4 American "Liberal"
#5 Social Democratic
#6 American "Conservative"
#7 Christian Democratic
#8 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#9 Anarcho-Communist
#10 Liberal Socialist
#11 Marxist
#12 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#13 Liberal Nationalist
#14 Soviet "Communist"
#15 Christian Socialist
#16 National Socialist
#17 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#18 Fascist

I think I got that exact same order. Itīs good not to be alone...

About the confussion with the meaning of "liberalism", I would say that historic entities canīt have only one "correct" definition. Thatīs quite obvious with the word "neo-liberalism": in the beggining of the XXth century it was used to describe a left-liberalism, closer to the socialdemocrats in economic matters. Now itīs often used to describe a purely free-market oriented type of liberalism, often very conservative in social issues (and even opposed to democracy - e.g., Chicago Boys & Milton Friedman working for Pinochet).

Personally, I prefer a "european" definition of liberalism, but thatīs just because Iīm used to it and not to the "american" meaning - which I canīt differentiate of "socialdemocracy" or "social-liberalism".
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« Reply #102 on: May 10, 2004, 10:45:50 AM »
Quote from: YoMartin on May 09, 2004, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: lidaker on May 09, 2004, 12:50:05 PM
I'm actually pretty proud of my result. But I don't understand the term "left-wing neoliberal".

#1 Social-Liberal
#2 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#3 Liberal
#4 American "Liberal"
#5 Social Democratic
#6 American "Conservative"
#7 Christian Democratic
#8 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#9 Anarcho-Communist
#10 Liberal Socialist
#11 Marxist
#12 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#13 Liberal Nationalist
#14 Soviet "Communist"
#15 Christian Socialist
#16 National Socialist
#17 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#18 Fascist

I think I got that exact same order. Itīs good not to be alone...

About the confussion with the meaning of "liberalism", I would say that historic entities canīt have only one "correct" definition. Thatīs quite obvious with the word "neo-liberalism": in the beggining of the XXth century it was used to describe a left-liberalism, closer to the socialdemocrats in economic matters. Now itīs often used to describe a purely free-market oriented type of liberalism, often very conservative in social issues (and even opposed to democracy - e.g., Chicago Boys & Milton Friedman working for Pinochet).

Personally, I prefer a "european" definition of liberalism, but thatīs just because Iīm used to it and not to the "american" meaning - which I canīt differentiate of "socialdemocracy" or "social-liberalism".

Sure, I agree to your general principle on words, but we can still argue one word as better than another... Wink

Neo-liberals aren't necessarily socially conservative, though they may well be undemocratic.
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« Reply #103 on: May 10, 2004, 10:56:52 AM »
« Edited: May 10, 2004, 10:59:58 AM by Nation »
I looked back at what everyone else got on this test, and it seems pretty bogus o_o


I took it again, and some of the questions were rather odd. Christian Socialist, American Liberal, and that Clinton neoliberal were what I came up with.
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« Reply #104 on: May 10, 2004, 03:10:46 PM »
I know what neoliberal means...it's Clinton's 'New Democrat' stuff.  It took aspects of Reaganism and old-school liberalism and blended 'em.
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« Reply #105 on: May 10, 2004, 04:42:24 PM »
Funny I got Neo Liberal lol.
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« Reply #106 on: May 11, 2004, 07:26:58 AM »
My result!

#1 American "Conservative"  
#2 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)  
#3 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)  
#4 Liberal Nationalist  
#5 Social Democratic  
#6 Social-Liberal  
#7 Christian Democratic  
#8 American "Liberal"  
#9 Liberal  
#10 Burkean (liberal) Conservative  
#11 Fascist
#12 Liberal Socialist  
#14 Anarcho-Communist  
#15 Marxist
#16 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)  
#17 Soviet "Communist"  
#18 Christian Socialist  

This is first time when I take clearly conservative position in the Anglo-Saxon test. In Finland I always get Conservative Party.

Should I take Republican avatar?

On the other hand Clinton is #2...
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« Reply #107 on: May 12, 2004, 11:51:28 AM »
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on May 11, 2004, 07:26:58 AM
My result!

#1 American "Conservative"  
#2 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)  
#3 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)  
#4 Liberal Nationalist  
#5 Social Democratic  
#6 Social-Liberal  
#7 Christian Democratic  
#8 American "Liberal"  
#9 Liberal  
#10 Burkean (liberal) Conservative  
#11 Fascist
#12 Liberal Socialist  
#14 Anarcho-Communist  
#15 Marxist
#16 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)  
#17 Soviet "Communist"  
#18 Christian Socialist  

This is first time when I take clearly conservative position in the Anglo-Saxon test. In Finland I always get Conservative Party.

Should I take Republican avatar?


No.  Republicans are NeoLiberals (some of us left-wing and others right-wing).  With american liberal as your best choice your Red seems fitting wrt other posters here.  However yours is American Conservative.  I have no idea with what US party that might correspond.  (constitutionalists perhaps?  e.g., Howard Phillips or Michael Peroutka)
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« Reply #108 on: May 12, 2004, 12:02:36 PM »
Quote from: angus on May 12, 2004, 11:51:28 AM
Quote from: Huckleberry Finn on May 11, 2004, 07:26:58 AM
My result!

#1 American "Conservative"  
#2 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)  
#3 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)  
#4 Liberal Nationalist  
#5 Social Democratic  
#6 Social-Liberal  
#7 Christian Democratic  
#8 American "Liberal"  
#9 Liberal  
#10 Burkean (liberal) Conservative  
#11 Fascist
#12 Liberal Socialist  
#14 Anarcho-Communist  
#15 Marxist
#16 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)  
#17 Soviet "Communist"  
#18 Christian Socialist  

This is first time when I take clearly conservative position in the Anglo-Saxon test. In Finland I always get Conservative Party.

Should I take Republican avatar?


No.  Republicans are NeoLiberals (some of us left-wing and others right-wing).  With american liberal as your best choice your Red seems fitting wrt other posters here.  However yours is American Conservative.  I have no idea with what US party that might correspond.  (constitutionalists perhaps?  e.g., Howard Phillips or Michael Peroutka)

It's Republican.  I got the same thing as my top choice and second I got Liberal Nationalist, which if you combine the two would make me sort of a neo-con.
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« Reply #109 on: May 12, 2004, 12:12:38 PM »
But he's a foreigner.  Ergo, Not A Republican!  the fact that almost every foreigner prefers Kerry will help Bush win.  I'm not campaigning here, but why rock that boat?  It seems anathematic that a non-US person would be sympathetic to the more loyal and patriotic and nationalistic of the two major factions.  I think Huckleberry Finn should stay red (or green).
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« Reply #110 on: May 13, 2004, 04:12:55 PM »
Do you consider that our foreigners' red avatars are offensive?

Only problem with green avatar is the ugly colour.

Oh and the Progressive Party!
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« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2004, 08:07:42 PM »


#1 Fascist
#2 Liberal Nationalist
#3 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)  
#4 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)  
#5 National Socialist
#6 American "Conservative"
#7 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#8 Christian Democratic  
#9 Soviet "Communist"  
#10 Christian Socialist  
#11 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)  
#12 American "Liberal"
#13 Social Democratic
#14 Social-Liberal  
#15 Anarcho-Communist  
#16 Liberal  
#17 Liberal Socialist
#18 Marxist
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« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2004, 12:40:23 AM »

no suprise there.
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« Reply #113 on: August 10, 2007, 10:57:58 PM »
#1   Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#2   Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#3   Liberal
#4   Liberal Nationalist
#5   American "Conservative"
#6   Social-Liberal
#7   Social Democratic
#8   American "Liberal"
#9   Soviet "Communist"
#10   Marxist
#11   Anarcho-Communist
#12   Christian Democratic
#13   Liberal Socialist
#14   National Socialist
#15   Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#16   Fascist
#17   Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#18   Christian Socialist
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« Reply #114 on: August 10, 2007, 11:41:07 PM »
Just emphasizing my top-five:
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#1   Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)

#2   American "Conservative"

#3   Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)

#4   Liberal Nationalist

#5   Social-Liberal

#6   Liberal

#7   American "Liberal"

#8   Christian Democratic

#9   Social Democratic

#10   National Socialist

#11   Fascist

#12   Anarcho-Communist

#13   Liberal Socialist

#14   Burkean (liberal) Conservative

#15   Marxist

#16   Soviet "Communist"

#17   Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)

#18   Christian Socialist
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« Reply #115 on: August 11, 2007, 12:02:02 AM »
#1   Social-Liberal
#2   American "Liberal"
#3   Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#4   Social Democratic
#5   Liberal
#6   Liberal Socialist
#7   Anarcho-Communist
#8   Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#9   Christian Democratic
#10   Marxist
#11   American "Conservative"
#12   Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#13   Liberal Nationalist
#14   Soviet "Communist"
#15   Fascist
#16   National Socialist
#17   Christian Socialist
#18   Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)


If this test didn't put Social-Liberal first, it would have been an utter failure. At least it managed to get that right. I'm a bit surprised by all the far-leftist stuff near the top; maybe that's the result of strong support for universal health care and education while opposing basically everything all of the lower-ranked ideologies stand for.

In other words, after the first five, I relate almost not at all with any of the ideologies, and even Social Democracy is a stretch. The problem, of course, is that we aren't given the opportunity to provide the reasoning behind our answers, which would explain why my support for universal health care isn't a social democratic position; my reasoning is decidedly non-social democratic.
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« Reply #116 on: August 11, 2007, 02:33:33 PM »
Quote from: Josh22 on June 24, 2004, 08:07:42 PM


#1 Fascist
#2 Liberal Nationalist
#3 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right) 
#4 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher) 
#5 National Socialist
#6 American "Conservative"
#7 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#8 Christian Democratic 
#9 Soviet "Communist" 
#10 Christian Socialist 
#11 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton) 
#12 American "Liberal"
#13 Social Democratic
#14 Social-Liberal 
#15 Anarcho-Communist 
#16 Liberal 
#17 Liberal Socialist
#18 Marxist


I guess that is what 3 years on this fourm does to you...

#1 Liberal Nationalist
#2 National Socialist
#3 American "Conservative"
#4 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#5 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#6 Fascist
#7 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#8 American "Liberal"
#9 Christian Democratic
#10 Social-Liberal
#11 Soviet "Communist"
#12 Social Democratic
#13 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#14 Christian Socialist
#15 Liberal
#16 Marxist
#17 Anarcho-Communist
#18 Liberal Socialist

 
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« Reply #117 on: August 11, 2007, 02:40:10 PM »
Quote from: Josh22 on August 11, 2007, 02:33:33 PM
Quote from: Josh22 on June 24, 2004, 08:07:42 PM


#1 Fascist
#2 Liberal Nationalist
#3 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right) 
#4 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher) 
#5 National Socialist
#6 American "Conservative"
#7 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#8 Christian Democratic 
#9 Soviet "Communist" 
#10 Christian Socialist 
#11 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton) 
#12 American "Liberal"
#13 Social Democratic
#14 Social-Liberal 
#15 Anarcho-Communist 
#16 Liberal 
#17 Liberal Socialist
#18 Marxist


I guess that is what 3 years on this fourm does to you...

#1 Liberal Nationalist
#2 National Socialist
#3 American "Conservative"
#4 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#5 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#6 Fascist
#7 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#8 American "Liberal"
#9 Christian Democratic
#10 Social-Liberal
#11 Soviet "Communist"
#12 Social Democratic
#13 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#14 Christian Socialist
#15 Liberal
#16 Marxist
#17 Anarcho-Communist
#18 Liberal Socialist

 


So, you went from Mousilini to Putin. Tongue

   
 
 
#1 Social Democratic
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#7 Liberal
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#8 Christian Democratic
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#11 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
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#13 Liberal Nationalist
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« Reply #118 on: August 11, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
#1 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#2 Social-Liberal
#3 American "Liberal"
#4 Social Democratic
#5 Liberal
#6 Liberal Socialist
#7 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#8 American "Conservative"
#9 Anarcho-Communist
#10 Christian Democratic
#11 Liberal Nationalist
#12 Marxist
#13 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#14 Soviet "Communist"
#15 National Socialist
#16 Fascist
#17 Christian Socialist
#18 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
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« Reply #119 on: August 11, 2007, 04:11:47 PM »
#1 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton) 
#2 Liberal 
#3 Social-Liberal
#4 American "Liberal"
#5 Liberal Nationalist
#6 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#7 American "Conservative"
#8 Social Democratic
#9 Christian Democratic
#10 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#11 Liberal Socialist
#12 Fascist
#13 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#14 Anarcho-Communist
#15 National Socialist
#16 Marxist
#17 Soviet "Communist"
#18 Christian Socialist
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« Reply #120 on: August 11, 2007, 05:44:35 PM »
#1 Social-Liberal
#2 American "Liberal"
#3 Social Democratic
#4 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#5 Liberal Socialist
#6 Anarcho-Communist
 #7 Liberal
#8 Marxist
#9 Christian Democratic
#10 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#11 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#12 Soviet "Communist"
#13 American "Conservative"
#14 Christian Socialist
#15 Liberal Nationalist
#16 National Socialist
#17 Fascist
#18 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
 
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« Reply #121 on: August 11, 2007, 07:02:44 PM »
#1 American "Liberal"
#2 Social-Liberal
#3 Social Democratic
#4 Liberal Socialist
#5 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#6 Anarcho-Communist
#7 Liberal
#8 Christian Democratic
#9 Marxist
#10 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#11 American "Conservative"
#12 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#13 Soviet "Communist"
#14 Fascist
#15 Liberal Nationalist
#16 National Socialist
#17 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)
#18 Christian Socialist
 
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« Reply #122 on: August 11, 2007, 07:54:32 PM »
Oh, this one again?

Let us see... this time I got:

1. Christian Socialist
2. Christian Democrat
3. Social Democrat
4. Burkean (liberal) Conservative
5. Liberal Socialist
6. Anarcho-Communist
7. American Liberal
8. Marxist
9. Soviet Communist
10. Social Liberal
11. Fascist
12. RC/M
13. Left Neo Liberal
14. American Conservative
15. Nazi
16. Liberal
17. Right Neo Liberal
18. Liberal Nationalist
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« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2007, 02:19:19 AM »
« Edited: August 12, 2007, 02:23:39 AM by ☺ Tik ☺ »
#1 Social-Liberal
#2 American "Liberal"
#3 Left-wing Neoliberal (Clinton)
#4 Social Democratic
#5 Liberal
#6 Anarcho-Communist
#7 Liberal Socialist
#8 Marxist
#9 Right-wing Neoliberal (Thatcher)
#10 Christian Democratic
#11 Liberal Nationalist
#12 American "Conservative"
#13 Soviet "Communist"
#14 Burkean (liberal) Conservative
#15 Christian Socialist
#16 National Socialist
#17 Fascist
#18 Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist (far right)

Not that surprising, really. I wonder if anyone would even get 'Revolutionary Conservative/Monarchist'. I didn't scour the thread thoroughly but really now.. and this test is pretty skewed. There aren't even two questions for every possible rank.
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« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2007, 03:42:42 AM »
Seems I never took this test, or maybe this was the second thread for this test.
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