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« on: September 20, 2005, 05:06:57 PM »

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/20/145116/057
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2005, 05:37:33 PM »

I've seen this list before.  It's pretty much a mix of liberal urban areas and areas with significant minority populations with the following exceptions, which can be pretty easily grouped:

Educated population, usually with college town(s)
Alameda, CA
Berkshire, MA
Dane, WI
Franklin, MA
Hampshire, MA
San Mateo, CA
Santa Cruz, CA
Santa Fe, NM
Tompkins, NY
Windham, VT

Mix of affluent residents, usually with service industry
Dukes, MA
Nantucket, MA
Pitkin, CO
San Miguel, CO
Sonoma, CA
Taos, NM

Wealthy suburbs
Marin, CA
Montgomery, MD

There are three I couldn't quite group, though:

First of all, Elliot County, Kentucky.  Why is this area so Democratic?  I know it is historically and is poor, but I'm surprised this area can remain so heavily Dem when neighouring areas vote Republican.

Secondly, San Juan County, Washington.  I know this area fine.  It is pretty much a large hippie colony.  It is fairly wealthy, but not exceptionally so, even though house prices are high.  There is another county in Washington like this - Jefferson County (Port Townsend), and this seems to be a phenomenon limited to the northwest.

Lastly, Douglas County, Wisconsin.  Heavily white, by the Canadian border.  Why is this area Democratic at all?
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2005, 05:43:31 PM »

It has a link to the most liberal cities of California. Mill Valley is interesting, it's 81.91% Kerry, 17.11% Bush. I think the average house there goes for about $1.5 million. Lots of people there voted for the guy who would raise their taxes.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2005, 05:46:04 PM »

Didn't you answer your own question about San Juan County? It's hippy-mania. I think more than a few people from the Seattle area have retired there. It's quite environmentalist. One of the islands voted 96.5% Kerry. And last time voted 60% Gore and 35% Nader or something. Crazy hippies. Vashon Island is technically considered rural by the county government and the census and probably voted 75% or so Kerry.

I'm surprised Clallam County is Republican, though.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2005, 06:28:14 PM »



Lastly, Douglas County, Wisconsin.  Heavily white, by the Canadian border.  Why is this area Democratic at all?

I think you've just answered your own question... except Wisconsin doesnt have a land border with Canada Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 06:30:58 PM »

..I just checked. Douglas is on Lake Superior, and is home to Superior, Wisconsin- the twin city of Duluth. Duluth is pretty Liberal, isn't it?

As for the Canadian border thing, while it's not on the Canadian border, being close to Canada does help Kerry a bit, due to the influence.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2005, 07:07:06 PM »

Shannon county, South Dakota?  Tell me about how a South Dakota county ranked number 2.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2005, 07:21:23 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2005, 07:23:37 PM by Alcon »

Shannon county, South Dakota?  Tell me about how a South Dakota county ranked number 2.

South Dakota has three extremely Democratic counties - most notably Shannon (85%), Todd (72%), and Buffalo (72%).

To know why these areas are so Democratic, you need but only look at two statistics each:

Shannon County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 94.20%
Poverty rate: 52.3%

Todd County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 85.60%
Poverty rate: 48.3%

Buffalo County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 81.59%
Poverty rate: 56.9%

All three are in similar condition, but Buffalo County probably is the worst-off (it only is closer in voting because it has a higher white population and its Native American population has become discouraged from voting).  Unemployment hovers around seventy percent, and many homes lack indoor plumbing.

Parts of South Dakota are, quite genuinely, third-world countries within our own borders.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2005, 09:13:17 PM »

Didn't you answer your own question about San Juan County? It's hippy-mania. I think more than a few people from the Seattle area have retired there. It's quite environmentalist. One of the islands voted 96.5% Kerry. And last time voted 60% Gore and 35% Nader or something. Crazy hippies. Vashon Island is technically considered rural by the county government and the census and probably voted 75% or so Kerry.

Yeah, I understand San Juan County; it's just hard to classify.  Vashon Island is pretty similar to San Juan County, and voted about 72% Kerry.  Island County is, outside of Oak Harbor, pretty liberal.

The island that really surprised me is Bainbridge, though - it actually voted Kerry by more than Vashon, I believe, and it's quite rich.

I'm surprised Clallam County is Republican, though.

Clallam County has plenty of environmentalists, but there's also a ton of anti-environmentalists.  Having spent a lot of time up there, I'm not all that surprised.  Port Angeles is slightly Democratic, Sequim is pretty much a tie (I think Bush won it by 0.25% - closest second to Port Orchard, which was a total tie) with the surrounding developments being Republican, and Forks is extremely Republican due to the reactionary logging vote.  Unincorporated areas vary - there are some Democratic ones (areas touching the water around Sequim, Neah Bay) but most are moderately Republican.

I used the precinct results I have to compile results by incorporated city statewide.  I have all of the counties except for Walla Walla and Whitman done, although a few (Benton, Clark, Franklin, and Yakima, I think) are tentative, one (Kittitas) doesn't break down absentee results by precinct, and I can't find the portion of Coulee Dam in Grant County.  If you're interested, I can send it.

Maybe islands in Washington are just liberal, except Island County... Bainbridge has the island factor and is has been influenced greatly by Seattle.

I'd appreciate it if you sent me the city statistics. My e-mail is baldguywithahat@hotmail.com if you want to send it that way.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2005, 02:41:23 AM »

Shannon county, South Dakota? Tell me about how a South Dakota county ranked number 2.

South Dakota has three extremely Democratic counties - most notably Shannon (85%), Todd (72%), and Buffalo (72%).

To know why these areas are so Democratic, you need but only look at two statistics each:

Shannon County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 94.20%
Poverty rate: 52.3%

Todd County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 85.60%
Poverty rate: 48.3%

Buffalo County, South Dakota
Percent Native American: 81.59%
Poverty rate: 56.9%

All three are in similar condition, but Buffalo County probably is the worst-off (it only is closer in voting because it has a higher white population and its Native American population has become discouraged from voting). Unemployment hovers around seventy percent, and many homes lack indoor plumbing.

Parts of South Dakota are, quite genuinely, third-world countries within our own borders.

how do you do that googley-eyed face? That's wporse then our aboriginal communities Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2005, 02:43:06 AM »

why do Native Americans vote Democratic?
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2005, 09:29:43 AM »


...Why do the Lakota?

A 50-something% poverty rate should answer that.

Most Native American reservations are impoverished.  It's harder to find statistics for more affluent Native Americans, since they rarely live on reservations.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2005, 10:05:02 AM »

Educated population, usually with college town(s)
Berkshire, MA
Franklin, MA

Only in parts; Berkshire contains some of the most deprived townships in southern New England and Franklin had (as of the last census) a pretty high % of people in manufacturing jobs (significantly higher than the MA average).
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Elliot has always voted Democratic ever since it became a county. Before the '30's this was because it was settled by Virginians (in contrast to most of the rest of the area), after the '30's it's more to do with the huge UMW organising drive ("The President* wants you to join the Union") and it's lasting effects. IIRC there's a couple of places in Elliot with no registered Republicans whatsoever...

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Very working class area with very strong unions (same applies for Duluth etc over in MN... and more or less the entire Superior shore)

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2005, 12:15:44 PM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2005, 01:21:00 AM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2005, 01:23:16 AM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Check out Buffalo county, SD. It's probably worse off than most 3rd world countries.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2005, 04:05:13 AM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Check out Buffalo county, SD. It's probably worse off than most 3rd world countries.

57%.  Horrible.
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2005, 04:37:19 AM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Check out Buffalo county, SD. It's probably worse off than most 3rd world countries.

57%.  Horrible.

It's even worse than it sounds. Actually this website is saying Shannon, SD is the poorest county. Life expectancy of 50 years. That's less than 2/3rds of the national average.

http://www.trailsandgrasslands.org/rez.html


All of the poorest counties are in red states. Blue states seem to be much better at fighting poverty.
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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2005, 04:47:10 AM »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Check out Buffalo county, SD. It's probably worse off than most 3rd world countries.

57%.  Horrible.

It's even worse than it sounds. Actually this website is saying Shannon, SD is the poorest county. Life expectancy of 50 years. That's less than 2/3rds of the national average.

http://www.trailsandgrasslands.org/rez.html


All of the poorest counties are in red states. Blue states seem to be much better at fighting poverty.

Not necessarily.

The blue states are closer to the water.  Native American tribes along the water have traditionally been much more wealthy, because they can invest in casinos and the like.  The Native Americans of South Dakota have no resources.

Tribes in "blue states" (boy, is that a dumb moniker) aren't necessairly better off.  Poverty rates may be lower, but they still barely scrape by:  the poverty rate for Chehalis Village, Washington, may only be 21%, but the per capita income is a staggeringly low $7,538.
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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2005, 04:54:50 AM »
« Edited: September 25, 2005, 05:01:47 AM by "Brownie, You're Doing A Heck Of A Job" »

I used to live on a reservation, which is also the 8th poorest county in the US. Right across the border in SD was Corson county, also a reservation and the single poorest county in the country. The place was much like a getto, rundown buildings were everywhere, and graffiti was quite common.

And just to get some stats, listen to this. My family lived in a 4 bedroom house. My parents told me it cost $200/month. That's it. I now live in a $425/month one room apartment. Now this was in the last 80s so you have to adjust for inflation a bit, but that gap is quite astounding. Also the median age was around 20 because wedlock rates and births were so high that all the babies drove the median down greatly.

very depressing place to say the least. I was around the area again fairly recently, and some of those parts look like another world almost, especially Cannonball.

Wow very third world

According to Wikipedia

The median income for a household in the CDP is $19,265, and the median income for a family is $18,583. Males have a median income of $21,875 versus $17,250 for females. The per capita income for the CDP is $5,717. 50.9% of the population and 49.7% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 58.3% of those under the age of 18 and 8.6% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

Check out Buffalo county, SD. It's probably worse off than most 3rd world countries.

57%.  Horrible.

It's even worse than it sounds. Actually this website is saying Shannon, SD is the poorest county. Life expectancy of 50 years. That's less than 2/3rds of the national average.

http://www.trailsandgrasslands.org/rez.html


All of the poorest counties are in red states. Blue states seem to be much better at fighting poverty.

Not necessarily.

The blue states are closer to the water.  Native American tribes along the water have traditionally been much more wealthy, because they can invest in casinos and the like.  The Native Americans of South Dakota have no resources.

Tribes in "blue states" (boy, is that a dumb moniker) aren't necessairly better off.  Poverty rates may be lower, but they still barely scrape by:  the poverty rate for Chehalis Village, Washington, may only be 21%, but the per capita income is a staggeringly low $7,538.
That tribe of 346 that is only a tiny part of a county is much wealthier than the tribe I was talking about that has 30,000 people, and much of Shannon, SD. I doubt the life expectancy is anywhere near 50 years for the Washington tribe.

The fact is that when you look at the county level, all of the poorest counties are in red states. Not one of the top 100 were in a state that Kerry got a majority in. 1 was in WI, the other 99 in Bush states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poorest_places_in_the_United_States
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2005, 04:56:45 AM »

Some more facts on Buffalo County...

% with a bachelor's degree or higher: 5.4
% with no high school diploma: 36.1
% of grandparents responsible for grandchildren: 50.4
% aged 5 to 20 with a disablity: 15.1
% aged 21 to 64 '' '' : 46.6
% aged 65+ '' '' : 53.5
% born in South Dakota: 99.6%
% speaking a language other than English: 87.4%
% unable to speak English less than "very well" : 12.6%
% owner-occupied: 42.8
% households with a single mother: 18.4
% employed: 33.8
% unemployed: 9.4
% not in labor force: 56.6
% of workforce employed in primary industries: 20.1
% of workforce in public sector: 54
Median household income: $12,692
% of households with income under $10,000: 44.8
% of families below poverty line: 55.7
% of individuals below poverty line: 56.9
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2005, 08:01:39 AM »

The poverty rate is so high among tribal reservations because the tribal governments care more about the almighty dollar then their own people. "Indian" Casinos are a huge fraud which provides little benefit to any native residents.
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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2005, 02:38:15 PM »

First, I want to thank JFern for the list.

Second, I find it interesting how everyone had tiptoed around the fact that the population mix in the overwhelming majority of the counties is 'third world.'

Third, I find it even more interesting that NO ONE has noted how that list of 'counties' differs in population growth rate from the nation. Of the 100 'counties,' 18 grew at a rate as fast or faster than the nation (2000 -2003) while 32 grew at a rate slower than the nation, and half (50) had a net decline in population!

What this means is that with ensuring redistrictings, if this trend continues, Democrats will lose seats in State legislatures and the House of Representatives.

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2005, 03:16:09 PM »

First, I want to thank JFern for the list.

Second, I find it interesting how everyone had tiptoed around the fact that the population mix in the overwhelming majority of the counties is 'third world.'

Third, I find it even more interesting that NO ONE has noted how that list of 'counties' differs in population growth rate from the nation. Of the 100 'counties,' 18 grew at a rate as fast or faster than the nation (2000 -2003) while 32 grew at a rate slower than the nation, and half (50) had a net decline in population!

What this means is that with ensuring redistrictings, if this trend continues, Democrats will lose seats in State legislatures and the House of Representatives.

Well, I suppose no one pointed this out because it has been common knowledge for several months, since the report that said 96 (?) of the top 100 fastest-growing counties were Bush counties.

Considering the Democratic base has been impoverished areas, cities, and inner suburbs for a while now, I can't imagine that this fact (it cannot be confirmed aa trend unless you can find 2000, 1996, 1992, etc. statistics) was all that different in the past.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2005, 03:19:03 PM »

First, I want to thank JFern for the list.

Second, I find it interesting how everyone had tiptoed around the fact that the population mix in the overwhelming majority of the counties is 'third world.'

Third, I find it even more interesting that NO ONE has noted how that list of 'counties' differs in population growth rate from the nation. Of the 100 'counties,' 18 grew at a rate as fast or faster than the nation (2000 -2003) while 32 grew at a rate slower than the nation, and half (50) had a net decline in population!

What this means is that with ensuring redistrictings, if this trend continues, Democrats will lose seats in State legislatures and the House of Representatives.



Conservative adults have more children than liberal adults. People tend to be more liberal than their parents. It all about cancels out.
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