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« on: October 03, 2005, 08:53:19 AM »
Atlasian Symbols Act

1. The Senate recognizes that Atlasia is without symbols.
2. The Senate agrees to create the following symbols: National Motto, National Flower, National Bird, National Tree, National Fish and National Animal.
3. If passed each Senator shall submit themselves, or get from his constituents 10 options for each symbol to the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
4. After all options are received the Secretary of Forum Affairs shall administer a vote on each symbol, using preferential voting. Whichever symbol receives the most support shall become the national symbol for each option.

Sponsor: Sen. MasterJedi
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 08:56:30 AM »
« Edited: October 03, 2005, 09:08:11 AM by Senator Porce »
Senators and the Vice President,

I rise in opposition of this legislation, the Atlasian Symbols Bill.

There are several problems with this bill and I frankly could not support it in its current form.  First of all, the bill provides for the creation of a National Bird symbol, a National Fish symbol, and a National Animal symbol.  Is it permissable to nominate another type of fish or bird in the "National Animal" category?  Why not call it the category National Mammal instead?  I must also comment on the extreme pointlessness of having a national fish-- a national fish-- it makes about as much sense as having a national arachnid or national frog.

Beyond that, there is a serious problem with Section 3 of this bill, which states that a Senator shall submit ten options for each symbol to the Department of Forum Affairs.  Ten options times ten Senators times six new categories is six hundred options that the Department will have to administer a vote on.  Can we expect the public to put up with such a daunting task of going through one-hundred options for six separate categories?  Can we not have some sort of remorse for the Department of Forum Affairs, whose job in this would be potentially hellish if there were some sort of tie or no clear majority in a preferential voting contest where there are one-hundred options for just one category?

This bill, while simple and well-meaning at first glance, is in fact a great burden on the Department of Forum Affairs and the Atlasian public.  I urge the Senate to defeat it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 09:08:19 AM »
Y'all could limit it to a Motto, Natural Symbol, and Animal and have each Senator recommend a single item for vote.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 09:11:57 AM »
Wow, Ebowed said exactly what I was gonna say.  I mean, really, a National Fish? Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2005, 09:38:42 AM »
Quote from: Governor CheeseWhiz on October 03, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
Wow, Ebowed said exactly what I was gonna say.  I mean, really, a National Fish? Tongue

Possibly too loony an idea for the Monster Raving Loony Party! Wink
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2005, 10:36:57 AM »
Ok if Ebowed insists on being like this for another bill I'll change it for you.

Here's the amendments:

2. The Senate agrees to create the following symbols: National Motto, Mammel and Bird.
3. If passed each Senator shall submit themselves, or get from his constituents 1 option for each symbol to the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2005, 10:38:10 AM »
Being like what?  I seriously don't want the Department of Forum Affairs to have to administer an election where the ballot has 600 choices on it.

Either way, I support the amendment.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2005, 10:40:32 AM »
Quote from: Senator Ebowed on October 03, 2005, 10:38:10 AM
Being like what?  I seriously don't want the Department of Forum Affairs to have to administer an election where the ballot has 600 choices on it.

Either way, I support the amendment.

It really doesn't matter now, are you okey dokey with the amendment?
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2005, 10:40:54 AM »
Yes, the amendment is without doubt an improvement.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2005, 11:24:20 AM »
Quote from: Lt. Governor Jas on October 03, 2005, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Governor CheeseWhiz on October 03, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
Wow, Ebowed said exactly what I was gonna say.  I mean, really, a National Fish? Tongue

Possibly too loony an idea for the Monster Raving Loony Party! Wink

Shocked Wow, what a thought!

Ebowed, being like what with what?  Huh?  Okay, I'm confused Tongue  I agree with Ebowed here, though, the amendment is a definite improvement and the bill now has my support, (don't know if it has Ebowed',s support, though.)
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2005, 11:36:48 AM »
Quote from: Governor CheeseWhiz on October 03, 2005, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: Lt. Governor Jas on October 03, 2005, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: Governor CheeseWhiz on October 03, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
Wow, Ebowed said exactly what I was gonna say.  I mean, really, a National Fish? Tongue

Possibly too loony an idea for the Monster Raving Loony Party! Wink

Shocked Wow, what a thought!

Ebowed, being like what with what?  Huh?  Okay, I'm confused Tongue  I agree with Ebowed here, though, the amendment is a definite improvement and the bill now has my support, (don't know if it has Ebowed',s support, though.)

Yes, with this amendment, there is just the right amount of lunacy to garner my support. Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2005, 03:03:55 PM »
I'll just nudge this along. There has been no debate on my amendment for over 24 hours, could we get a vote? Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2005, 03:06:02 PM »
Quote from: Senator MasterJedi on October 03, 2005, 10:36:57 AM
Ok if Ebowed insists on being like this for another bill I'll change it for you.

Here's the amendments:

2. The Senate agrees to create the following symbols: National Motto, Mammel and Bird.
3. If passed each Senator shall submit themselves, or get from his constituents 1 option for each symbol to the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
The question is on the amendment. Those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2005, 03:06:40 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2005, 03:25:26 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2005, 05:48:08 PM »
Aye, although I will be soliciting nominations for a mammal.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2005, 05:49:32 PM »
Yea
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2005, 05:49:55 PM »
Quote from: Q on October 04, 2005, 05:48:08 PM
Aye, although I will be soliciting nominations for a mammal.

Oh bah, spelling can be changed without an amendment you know. (And I posted that amendment near the end of study hall pretty fast so I could leave. Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2005, 06:56:38 PM »
Aye if it's a mammal and not a mammel.
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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2005, 01:14:01 AM »
Quote from: Senator MasterJedi on October 04, 2005, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Q on October 04, 2005, 05:48:08 PM
Aye, although I will be soliciting nominations for a mammal.
Oh bah, spelling can be changed without an amendment you know. (And I posted that amendment near the end of study hall pretty fast so I could leave. Tongue

Yes, I know.  Just messing with you. Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2005, 03:24:51 PM »
Only one more vote for the amendment to pass. Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2005, 04:19:06 PM »
Aye.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2005, 04:29:03 PM »
With six ayes, the amendment is passed.
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2005, 05:07:31 PM »
It's been 3 days and 24 hours with no debate, can we please get a vote? Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2005, 05:10:34 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2005, 09:03:04 AM by Emsworth »
1. The Senate recognizes that Atlasia is without symbols.
2. The Senate agrees to create the following symbols: National Motto, Mammal and Bird.
3. If passed each Senator shall submit themselves, or get from his constituents, one option for each symbol to the Secretary of Forum Affairs.
4. After all options are received the Secretary of Forum Affairs shall administer a vote on each symbol, using preferential voting. Whichever symbol receives the most support shall become the national symbol for each option.

The question is on final passage: All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.
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