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The Constitarian
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« on: October 04, 2005, 05:34:12 PM »
    I have made it my personal mission to rid this country of the unconstitutional legislature that is the Patriot Act.  To do this I would like any supporters of the Patriot Act out there to explain to me how the crushing of the Bill of Rights is at all just.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2005, 05:36:06 PM »
The whole of the Patriot Act is not unconstitutional. Only a few parts of it are, as the courts have held, in their wisdom.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2005, 07:31:33 PM »
    Enough of it is unconstitutional that it is vital that we either destroy it or completely rewrite it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2005, 07:32:34 PM »
Quote from: The Constitarian on October 04, 2005, 07:31:33 PM
    Enough of it is unconstitutional that it is vital that we either destroy it or completely rewrite it.

what parts do you feel are unconstitutional
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2005, 07:39:24 PM »
Quote from: The Constitarian on October 04, 2005, 05:34:12 PM
    I have made it my personal mission to rid this country of the unconstitutional legislature that is the Patriot Act.  To do this I would like any supporters of the Patriot Act out there to explain to me how the crushing of the Bill of Rights is at all just.
*bows to Constitarian*

I hate The Patriot Act. Glad to see someone else is going to take action.
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2005, 08:18:11 PM »
I've actually taken a compromise position. U.S. Citizens are protected by the Constitution from the PATRIOT Act, but non-U.S. Citizens are not.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2005, 08:29:38 PM »
Quote from: Brandon H on October 04, 2005, 08:18:11 PM
U.S. Citizens are protected by the Constitution from the PATRIOT Act, but non-U.S. Citizens are not.
The Bill of Rights makes no such distinction, though.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 12:12:22 AM »
Quote from: 9iron on October 04, 2005, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Constitarian on October 04, 2005, 07:31:33 PM
Enough of it is unconstitutional that it is vital that we either destroy it or completely rewrite it.

what parts do you feel are unconstitutional

The above question is needed to rip your argument apart. Anyway, anyone supporting a full repeal of the PATRIOT Act needs to be ganged raped by a pack of wild, horny buffalo. That is an extreme position if there ever was one.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2005, 03:04:58 AM »
Quote from: Jake on October 05, 2005, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: 9iron on October 04, 2005, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Constitarian on October 04, 2005, 07:31:33 PM
Enough of it is unconstitutional that it is vital that we either destroy it or completely rewrite it.

what parts do you feel are unconstitutional

The above question is needed to rip your argument apart. Anyway, anyone supporting a full repeal of the PATRIOT Act needs to be ganged raped by a pack of wild, horny buffalo. That is an extreme position if there ever was one.

Because, obviously, America was in chaos before the "Patriot" Act was aproved.
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2005, 02:51:23 PM »
Where was that stated in my post?
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2005, 02:55:09 PM »
Quote from: Jake on October 05, 2005, 02:51:23 PM
Where was that stated in my post?

IT can be qute inferred, since you obviously deem the "patriot" act to be indispensible.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2005, 04:24:38 PM »
      The Patriot Act is unconstitutional in many ways.  To name a few of the worse ones, law enforcement agencies no longer need warrants to search, they dont even have to tell the person that they have been searched; "terrorists" that are captured can be held indefinitely with no trial and without obeying the Geneva conventions.  The United States has granted itself the power to commit assasination here or anywhere in the world.  Those are just a few of the many bull-sh**t freedom crushing powers granted by the Patriot Act
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2005, 05:09:46 PM »
Why is this sort of thing all of a sudden unconstitutional when the same tactics have been being used for decades in dealing with drug dealers and organized crime members?
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2005, 07:00:34 PM »
In theory it could probably be warped into something that damages the the Bill of Rights, but I don't think it's happening now. Not to the extent that it should be scrapped. I think it is and can be a very useful tool for fighting terrorism and breaking up cells.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2005, 09:51:48 PM »
    This type of thing has always been unconstitutional, this is just the first time you have herd me fight for the Bill of Rights.
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2005, 10:55:27 PM »
Quote from: The Constitarian on October 05, 2005, 04:24:38 PM
      The Patriot Act is unconstitutional in many ways.  To name a few of the worse ones, law enforcement agencies no longer need warrants to search, they dont even have to tell the person that they have been searched; "terrorists" that are captured can be held indefinitely with no trial and without obeying the Geneva conventions.  The United States has granted itself the power to commit assasination here or anywhere in the world.  Those are just a few of the many bull-sh**t freedom crushing powers granted by the Patriot Act

Yes, and I'm sure you can expect your door to be smashed down tonight for posting this.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2005, 11:13:22 PM »
The entire Patriot Act should be repealed, every single clause.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2005, 06:48:50 PM »
I am against anything that POSSIBLY limits my constitutional right. Whether or not the intent is there
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2005, 07:27:23 PM »
The entire thing should be repealed but it won't be.
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