Save the Fine Arts Bill

[Emsworth]

Save the Fine Arts Bill

1. The National Endowments for the Arts and the Humanities Elimination Bill is hereby repealed.

2.  The National Endowments for the Arts and the Humanities are hereby reinstated immediately upon the signature of the President.

Sponsor: Sen. True Independent

[True Democrat]

I abstained on the bill that got rid of the Fine Arts, but I feel the debate after the bill was passed caused me to change my mind.  Cutting little things like this out of the budget will not accomplish much.  Also, we should encourage the Fine Arts throughout Atlasia.

[Ebowed]

My bill did not "get rid of" the Fine Arts, it got rid of the federal funding.

The organizations will just be abolished again when the Budget takes effect, won't they?

[True Democrat]

My bill did not "get rid of" the Fine Arts, it got rid of the federal funding.

The organizations will just be abolished again when the Budget takes effect, won't they?

Can we not vote to remove that from the budget cuts?

[Ebowed]

Cutting little things like this out of the budget will not accomplish much.

Actually, we should encourage budget cuts whereever possible of unnecessary funding to ensure that actual necessities can be adequately paid for (i.e. soldier salaries).  The argument that this didn't save us much money holds no weight; it still saved a little bit of money regardless, and that's not a bad thing.  At what point does something become large and expensive enough that you would support its abolition?

Either way, I am morally opposed to forcing people to give money to the government to subsidize artwork that those people may not like or agree with.  It is simply wrong for people to pay taxes for artwork that they find tasteless, offensive, or even pointless (as can be the case with abstract art).

[Jake]

For example, cutting this program's c.400 million of so budget can be used to increase the pay of every soldier currently in Iraq by around $ 250 a month. I'll take that any day over government sanctioned "art".

[MasterJedi]

Might I suggest instead of bring back everything that we only bring back a little federal funding otherwise I'll abstain on this bill.

[CheeseWhiz]

I’m definitely against this bill.  I agree with Ebowed and Jake.

[True Democrat]

Bump

I'd like to know other Senators' opinions on this.

[PBrunsel]

I still feel that arts programs should be funded by philanthropists.

[Q]

I still feel that arts programs should be funded by philanthropists.

... and not by the taxpayer.  I enjoy art as much as the next Atlasian, but I don't think it's right to force each taxpayer to help foot the bill.  I concur with Senator PBrunsel.

[John Dibble]

I still feel that arts programs should be funded by philanthropists.

... and not by the taxpayer.  I enjoy art as much as the next Atlasian, but I don't think it's right to force each taxpayer to help foot the bill.  I concur with Senator PBrunsel.

Ditto.

[True Democrat]

I still feel that arts programs should be funded by philanthropists.

... and not by the taxpayer.  I enjoy art as much as the next Atlasian, but I don't think it's right to force each taxpayer to help foot the bill.  I concur with Senator PBrunsel.

See, education is my soft spot.  I think that the government needs to support education.  If this program were huge I would probably support reducing it, but these programs are incredibly small, so I think we should reinstitute them.

[Bono]

I still feel that arts programs should be funded by philanthropists.

... and not by the taxpayer.  I enjoy art as much as the next Atlasian, but I don't think it's right to force each taxpayer to help foot the bill.  I concur with Senator PBrunsel.

See, education is my soft spot.  I think that the government needs to support education.  If this program were huge I would probably support reducing it, but these programs are incredibly small, so I think we should reinstitute them.

What does this have to do with education?
And, as Ernest has said once, once the "it's only N Million" pork projects acumulate, we have a huge spending.
Every little bit counts. We shoudln't not repeal something just because it's too little, otherwise what authority would we have to repeal big things.

[Emsworth]

Governor Bono has made a very good argument against such projects. It is not, I think, relevant if a project costs several billion dollars, or "only a few million." In either case, I feel that it constitutes unwarranted waste of taxpayer money.

Certainly, the arts and sciences are very important, but no-one on the other side has conclusively demonstrated that these will suffer because private individuals rather than the government will pay for them.

[Emsworth]

The question is on final passage. All those in favor, say Aye; those opposed, say No.

[True Democrat]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

[MasterJedi]

Abstain


I would have voted for it if it wouldn't have brought back the entire thing but only a tiny portion of it.

[Bono]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

You still haven't answred what the hell does this have to do with education.

[True Democrat]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

You still haven't answred what the hell does this have to do with education.

It promotes the fine arts, which are an essential part of any complete education.  With more fine arts available in the US, more children may pursure education.

[Bono]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

You still haven't answred what the hell does this have to do with education.

It promotes the fine arts, which are an essential part of any complete education.  With more fine arts available in the US, more children may pursure education.

If anything, more education will result in more fine arts being produced, but that is completely illogical.

[True Democrat]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

You still haven't answred what the hell does this have to do with education.

It promotes the fine arts, which are an essential part of any complete education.  With more fine arts available in the US, more children may pursure education.

If anything, more education will result in more fine arts being produced, but that is completely illogical.

And do we not need funding for those more fine arts?

[Bono]

Yea

Senators, I ask you to please value education in our country.

You still haven't answred what the hell does this have to do with education.

It promotes the fine arts, which are an essential part of any complete education.  With more fine arts available in the US, more children may pursure education.

If anything, more education will result in more fine arts being produced, but that is completely illogical.

And do we not need funding for those more fine arts?

No. You are basically saying that without government funding for the arts, there would be no art, which is simply not true.
Plus, the true arsits, those that go against the establishment by breaking boundaries, are not known enough to be financed anyways.

[Ebowed]

Nay.

[Q]

Nay