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« on: January 04, 2004, 11:46:32 pm »
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-12-17-gendergap-cover_x.htm

'Til politics do us part: Gender gap widens
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON; Lynne and Scott Albert readily agree on family finances, summer vacations and the perfect holiday gifts for their 5-year-old twins; Care Bears for Cammie, a toy monster truck for Josh.
But when it comes to politics, Lynne, an attorney, and Scott, a venture capitalist with an MBA, often disagree about candidates and issues. He's a Republican worried about taxes and government regulations who is "definitely" voting for President Bush next year. She's a Democrat concerned about policies that affect women and children, and she's shopping for the candidate with the best chance of beating Bush.

The couple from Chapel Hill, N.C., aren't unusual. Highly educated men and women increasingly view the political world in dramatically different ways: Men are mostly Republicans, women are predominantly Democrats. A modest gender gap among Americans who don't have college educations balloons for those with a college degree or more.

The political divide between college-educated men and women has been growing for a decade.
And the trend has become more important as the number of women getting undergraduate and postgraduate degrees has surged.

"Highly educated women are a new Democratic base, almost to the same extent as union voters and ethnic voters," says Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. Meanwhile, Republicans have made gains among all blue-collar workers, especially men.

The result: The stereotypes of the two political parties; Democrats as the party of the working stiff, Republicans as representing those with money in the bank; no longer fit. Each party has become a more complicated coalition in which social issues and "values" are as much a unifying force as traditional bread-and-butter concerns.
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This link provides state-by-state results and has info on other demographics.

http://www.feminist.org/research/ggap2000.pdf

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I do think this is interesting and benefits Democrats since more and more women are attending college.

How do you guys think this will impact the 2004 election and future elections?
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2004, 08:24:41 am »
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Gender gaps are interesting. I saw a similar analysis being made in my country on referenda, where elderly men v young women was the usual match-up. It was pointed out that the women usually loses, for some reason (I think lack of self-esteem)...

In our recent referendum the no-side won 62-36 among women and 50-48 among men, so there was a clear difference.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-12-17-gendergap-cover_x.htm

'Til politics do us part: Gender gap widens
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON; Lynne and Scott Albert readily agree on family finances, summer vacations and the perfect holiday gifts for their 5-year-old twins; Care Bears for Cammie, a toy monster truck for Josh.
But when it comes to politics, Lynne, an attorney, and Scott, a venture capitalist with an MBA, often disagree about candidates and issues. He's a Republican worried about taxes and government regulations who is "definitely" voting for President Bush next year. She's a Democrat concerned about policies that affect women and children, and she's shopping for the candidate with the best chance of beating Bush.

The couple from Chapel Hill, N.C., aren't unusual. Highly educated men and women increasingly view the political world in dramatically different ways: Men are mostly Republicans, women are predominantly Democrats. A modest gender gap among Americans who don't have college educations balloons for those with a college degree or more.

The political divide between college-educated men and women has been growing for a decade.
And the trend has become more important as the number of women getting undergraduate and postgraduate degrees has surged.

"Highly educated women are a new Democratic base, almost to the same extent as union voters and ethnic voters," says Democratic pollster Geoff Garin. Meanwhile, Republicans have made gains among all blue-collar workers, especially men.

The result: The stereotypes of the two political parties; Democrats as the party of the working stiff, Republicans as representing those with money in the bank; no longer fit. Each party has become a more complicated coalition in which social issues and "values" are as much a unifying force as traditional bread-and-butter concerns.
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This link provides state-by-state results and has info on other demographics.

http://www.feminist.org/research/ggap2000.pdf

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I do think this is interesting and benefits Democrats since more and more women are attending college.

How do you guys think this will impact the 2004 election and future elections?
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2004, 10:15:52 am »
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Heard this morning that the Dem have not won a majority of the white vote since 1960.  Can anyone verify this?  In presidential races I mean.

as to gender, all the media talks about is how the gOP isn't getting women, well if so close where are the men, with the GOP.
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Aren't women more easily swayed than men, generally, or is that just a sexistic myth? Wink

Heard this morning that the Dem have not won a majority of the white vote since 1960.  Can anyone verify this?  In presidential races I mean.

as to gender, all the media talks about is how the gOP isn't getting women, well if so close where are the men, with the GOP.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2004, 12:05:24 pm »
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Well you are asking a guys only audience what do you think we will say? Smiley

Especially when this year is supposed to be about NASCAR dads, the male gender gapo I would think would get some play.


Aren't women more easily swayed than men, generally, or is that just a sexistic myth? Wink

Heard this morning that the Dem have not won a majority of the white vote since 1960.  Can anyone verify this?  In presidential races I mean.

as to gender, all the media talks about is how the gOP isn't getting women, well if so close where are the men, with the GOP.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2004, 03:23:31 pm »
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Haha, Good point! Smiley

"NASCAR dads", that would be one of these obscure voter groups that nobody seems to like, right? What does NASCAR stand for (sorry for being so ignorant, but I'm learning...)

Well you are asking a guys only audience what do you think we will say? Smiley

Especially when this year is supposed to be about NASCAR dads, the male gender gapo I would think would get some play.


Aren't women more easily swayed than men, generally, or is that just a sexistic myth? Wink

Heard this morning that the Dem have not won a majority of the white vote since 1960.  Can anyone verify this?  In presidential races I mean.

as to gender, all the media talks about is how the gOP isn't getting women, well if so close where are the men, with the GOP.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2004, 03:38:34 pm »
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NASCAR- is the professional racing league here in America, you know the "Winston Cup Series" , Dale Jerret, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, etc.

One of the fastest growing sports here in the states and important as it is seen as new "Soccer moms" group./  Mostly fathers int eh South and Midwest that enjoy the sport and vote GOP and increasingly going more GOP, but Dems for some reason think they can steal them away this year.
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Ah. I figured I rembered it from somewhere, but I didn't make the connection right away. Thanks. (I don't know a lot about the sport, but I've heard of it...) I will tell myself that the last part was biased! Smiley

NASCAR- is the professional racing league here in America, you know the "Winston Cup Series" , Dale Jerret, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, etc.

One of the fastest growing sports here in the states and important as it is seen as new "Soccer moms" group./  Mostly fathers int eh South and Midwest that enjoy the sport and vote GOP and increasingly going more GOP, but Dems for some reason think they can steal them away this year.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2004, 03:47:58 pm »
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no all of it was true.  

Ah. I figured I rembered it from somewhere, but I didn't make the connection right away. Thanks. (I don't know a lot about the sport, but I've heard of it...) I will tell myself that the last part was biased! Smiley

NASCAR- is the professional racing league here in America, you know the "Winston Cup Series" , Dale Jerret, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, etc.

One of the fastest growing sports here in the states and important as it is seen as new "Soccer moms" group./  Mostly fathers int eh South and Midwest that enjoy the sport and vote GOP and increasingly going more GOP, but Dems for some reason think they can steal them away this year.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2004, 03:48:56 pm »
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www.nascar.com  to learn about the sport so you will have a better understanding, always trying to help Smiley

Guys like fast cars Smiley
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No need to rub it in...

no all of it was true.  

Ah. I figured I rembered it from somewhere, but I didn't make the connection right away. Thanks. (I don't know a lot about the sport, but I've heard of it...) I will tell myself that the last part was biased! Smiley

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I hate NASCAR.  And it isn't growing, it stopped growing when Earnhardt died.  You know what's growing?  College Football.  When we institute a lucrative playoff system, watch the people and the $$$ flow in.
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www.nascar.com  to learn about the sport so you will have a better understanding, always trying to help Smiley

Guys like fast cars Smiley

Thanks, but I doubt that I will become an instant fan, since I might be a bit of an exception to that last line... Smiley

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I think we should try to court the saps who watch such drivel like the black plague.
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that may happen in this lifetime, LSU and OKL both looked terrible last night BTW.

I hate NASCAR.  And it isn't growing, it stopped growing when Earnhardt died.  You know what's growing?  College Football.  When we institute a lucrative playoff system, watch the people and the $$$ flow in.
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Always trying to be inclusive aren't you?


I think we should try to court the saps who watch such drivel like the black plague.
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It would be like having people from Rainbow/PUSH and NARAL at one of your fundraisers. You don't want people who will embarass your party.
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I'd have no problem with people from Rainbow/PUSH or NARAL as long as they agreed with most of our agenda.  It doesn't matter to me what sport they follow.

Gustaf, a majority of the followers of NASCAR are white, male, country music listeners, and blue collar.  Exactly the kind of voter that the Democrat party is "embarrased" by.  

Limosuine liberals who listen to classical music and watch championship squash are of course more than welcome in the party of Howard Dean and his rich ski buddies.
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I'd have no problem with people from Rainbow/PUSH or NARAL as long as they agreed with most of our agenda.  It doesn't matter to me what sport they follow.

Gustaf, a majority of the followers of NASCAR are white, male, country music listeners, and blue collar.  Exactly the kind of voter that the Democrat party is "embarrased" by.  

Limosuine liberals who listen to classical music and watch championship squash are of course more than welcome in the party of Howard Dean and his rich ski buddies.

What is it that you are trying to tell me? Smiley
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That if you 'work for a living', (a term I get from my dad, a huge nascar fan) the Democrat party is no longer for you.  You might not fit the snobbish view of America from million dollar manhattan apartments or the bastions of liberal/socialist thought and thus would be an embarrassment.
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that may happen in this lifetime, LSU and OKL both looked terrible last night BTW.

I hate NASCAR.  And it isn't growing, it stopped growing when Earnhardt died.  You know what's growing?  College Football.  When we institute a lucrative playoff system, watch the people and the $$$ flow in.
But USC looked damn good against Michigan.  I like the old bowl system better, with the traditional conference matchups.  The BCS is BS.
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That if you 'work for a living', (a term I get from my dad, a huge nascar fan) the Democrat party is no longer for you.  You might not fit the snobbish view of America from million dollar manhattan apartments or the bastions of liberal/socialist thought and thus would be an embarrassment.

OK, I got that, I was just wondering why you were directing at me in a so specific way, like I needed to know this more than any other person on the board. But I find it easy to believe you, most communists have always been upper class. My dad comes from a working class family and he has always held open contempt for "spoiled upper-class kids" who were communists in 1968 movement (or later for that matter).
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I don't see why I would be a bad nominee just because I prefer the opera to the Opry, or prefer skiing and squash to watching some car, or because I think that thought should take precedence over the economic self-interests of the working class within our party.
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I would guess that the gender gap would be more pronounced the higher up the economic tree you get.

Over here Labour has always won more male votes than female votes, partly due to the(reasonably accurate) sterotype of a Labour supporter as being white, working class and Northern. The stuff about doping whippits and eating chips with everything is not.
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I would guess that the gender gap would be more pronounced the higher up the economic tree you get.

Over here Labour has always won more male votes than female votes, partly due to the(reasonably accurate) sterotype of a Labour supporter as being white, working class and Northern. The stuff about doping whippits and eating chips with everything is not.

The reason men used to be more inclined to Labour than women is because of the heavily unionised male workforce. In the 1960's most men belonged to a trade union, whereas working women did not. Many British men engaged in heavy industry held strong socialist, populist beliefs whereas women were much more conservative.
In Britain today however it's more of an age voting gap. The average age of Tories in the UK is about 173!
All younger age groups tend to be inclined away from the Tories to LD or Labour. Funny you should say that NASCAR dads are GOP voting and classical music sorts Dem Voting. In Britain it would be the opposite. Beer guzzling, sports obsessed British rednecks are overwhelmingly Labour. The type of person who listens to classical music and dines out in fine restaurants or tea shops is the archetypal Tory.
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