*Official Election 2005 Results Thread*

[MarkDel]

Spin it baby, spin it.

Nick,

That's spin? New Jersey is a staunch Democratic state and Virginia is a close Republican state that is coming off a tremendous 4-year run by one of the most popular and effective Democratic Governors in recent memory. Where is it at ALL surprising that the Dems would win both of these races???

The real SPIN has come in the past few weeks as the mainstream media has made these races into so-called "proxy battles" between Bush and the Democratic Party.

I wasnt pointing you out in particular.  I just find it funny that when Democrats celebrate two solid victories you and others point out how desperate we are.  Let us celebrate, it was a good night for us.  And if we win big CA, it will have been a great night.

That's a fair point Nick. My point though is that many Democrats are turning the Virginia election into a referendum on Bush, and that's just ridiculous.

[© tweed]

VA is a very good win for the Democrats.  Kilgore was ahead by 10% at midsummer!  NJ is nothing special, but VA can be bragged about.

[Alcon]

Mark,

Democrat wins a close win in a weakly Republican state in a race where the Republican was, for a long time, heavily favoured.

Republican wins an expeccted landslide in a heavily Democratic city.

Which is more immediately exciting?  The first, because it is not expected.  It is natural human emotion to be excited about competitive races.  I don't see why it surprises you that Democrats are exciting.

[Moooooo]

Winner     Candidate     Party      Incumbent     Votes     Vote %
X    Jon Corzine    Dem       657,887    54%
   Doug Forrester    GOP       521,655    42%
   Others    Others       37,299    3%

Looks like MAS' 'Other' number will hold.

[Gabu]

If a Republican won in the heart of New England, would you not consider this a very good thing?

When the GOP retained the RI Governor spot, I wasn't going crazy.

I don't see anyone "going crazy".  There are a lot of Democrats who are happy to see these results, for sure, but I don't see anything abnormal in taking pleasure in a victory for one's own team.  Are we supposed to be going "ho hum, Kaine won, big deal"?

[ATFFL]

Precincts Reporting: 2204 of 2426 (90.85%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,722,869   Voter Turnout: 38.70 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  R F McDonnell     Republican    864,912    50.20%
  R C Deeds     Democratic    856,502    49.71%
  Write Ins          1,455    0.08%

[MHS2002]

Spin it baby, spin it.

Nick,

That's spin? New Jersey is a staunch Democratic state and Virginia is a close Republican state that is coming off a tremendous 4-year run by one of the most popular and effective Democratic Governors in recent memory. Where is it at ALL surprising that the Dems would win both of these races???

The real SPIN has come in the past few weeks as the mainstream media has made these races into so-called "proxy battles" between Bush and the Democratic Party.

I wasnt pointing you out in particular.  I just find it funny that when Democrats celebrate two solid victories you and others point out how desperate we are.  Let us celebrate, it was a good night for us.  And if we win big CA, it will have been a great night.

That's a fair point Nick. My point though is that many Democrats are turning the Virginia election into a referendum on Bush, and that's just ridiculous.

I don't think VA was a referendum on Bush, as much as a combination of a referendum on Warner and a less than spectacular candidate in Kilgore.

[MarkDel]

Spin it baby, spin it.

Nick,

That's spin? New Jersey is a staunch Democratic state and Virginia is a close Republican state that is coming off a tremendous 4-year run by one of the most popular and effective Democratic Governors in recent memory. Where is it at ALL surprising that the Dems would win both of these races???

The real SPIN has come in the past few weeks as the mainstream media has made these races into so-called "proxy battles" between Bush and the Democratic Party.

The Democrats won two potentially close races.  What, they are not supposed to be happy about that?  If they were saying that this is a big chance toward Democratic leadership, I would disagree strongly, but being happy about victories is fine.

Alcon, I essentially agree with what you said. My comments are aimed at the gleeful Dems who are viewing these races as a "proxy battle" between Bush and the Dems in general.

[Moooooo]

Spin it baby, spin it.

Nick,

That's spin? New Jersey is a staunch Democratic state and Virginia is a close Republican state that is coming off a tremendous 4-year run by one of the most popular and effective Democratic Governors in recent memory. Where is it at ALL surprising that the Dems would win both of these races???

The real SPIN has come in the past few weeks as the mainstream media has made these races into so-called "proxy battles" between Bush and the Democratic Party.

I wasnt pointing you out in particular.  I just find it funny that when Democrats celebrate two solid victories you and others point out how desperate we are.  Let us celebrate, it was a good night for us.  And if we win big CA, it will have been a great night.

That's a fair point Nick. My point though is that many Democrats are turning the Virginia election into a referendum on Bush, and that's just ridiculous.

Well, we knew that was going to happen.  Had Kilgore won the right would have glorified Bush for saving him.  I knew it was going to be spun regardless of the winner.

The midterms are still a long way off.  Trust me, I am definitely not counting my chickens a year out.

[Gabu]

A Republican DID win in New York, which is far more Democratic than Virginia is Republican. Also, Virginia was held by a very effective and very popular Democratic Governor, who was pretty much given the free hand to appoint his successor. This victory in Virginia is more about the sound government of the Warner Administration than it is a repudiation of George Bush as Dems are trying to spin.

Yeah, but everyone already knew that Bloomburg was going to win.  To my knowledge, he had no serious opposition.

Kaine, on the other hand, is somewhat of an underdog, since, as I said, Kilgore was by far the favorite to win early on in the race.

[Jake]

Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

[MHS2002]

Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

VA: Kaine wins, Lt. Gov: Bolling (R), slightly up, AG: too close to call
NJ: Corzine declared winner

[Moooooo]

Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

Jake,

Precincts Reporting:    3813     Of    6310     60%

X    Jon Corzine    Dem       680,646    54%
   Doug Forrester    GOP       538,669    42%
   Others    Others       38,757    3%

T M Kaine     Democratic    942,020    51.55%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    843,897    46.18%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    39,921    2.18%

[ATFFL]

Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

Office: Governor
Precincts Reporting: 2284 of 2426 (94.15%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,827,425   Voter Turnout: 41.05 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  T M Kaine     Democratic    942,020    51.55%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    843,897    46.18%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    39,921    2.18%
  Write Ins          1,587    0.09%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,827,425   

Office: Lieutenant Governor
Precincts Reporting: 2225 of 2426 (91.71%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,739,569   Voter Turnout: 39.08 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  W T Bolling     Republican    884,422    50.84%
  L L Byrne     Democratic    851,844    48.97%
  Write Ins          3,303    0.19%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,739,569   

Office: Attorney General
Precincts Reporting: 2206 of 2426 (90.93%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,725,260   Voter Turnout: 38.75 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  R F McDonnell     Republican    866,261    50.21%
  R C Deeds     Democratic    857,544    49.71%
  Write Ins          1,455    0.08%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,725,260   

VA

NEW YORK MAYOR
(As of 9:48 p.m.)
623 of 6,063 (10 %) reporting.
Candidate    Votes
Michael R. Bloomberg (R)    70,361
(57%)
Fernando Ferrer (D)    49,532
(40%)
NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR
(As of 9:51 p.m.)
3,680 of 6,310 (58 %) reporting.
Candidate    Votes
Jon D. Corzine (D)    657,887
(54%)
Douglas R. Forrester (R)    521,655
(43%)

NYTimes

[Alcon]

Spin it baby, spin it.

Nick,

That's spin? New Jersey is a staunch Democratic state and Virginia is a close Republican state that is coming off a tremendous 4-year run by one of the most popular and effective Democratic Governors in recent memory. Where is it at ALL surprising that the Dems would win both of these races???

The real SPIN has come in the past few weeks as the mainstream media has made these races into so-called "proxy battles" between Bush and the Democratic Party.

The Democrats won two potentially close races.  What, they are not supposed to be happy about that?  If they were saying that this is a big chance toward Democratic leadership, I would disagree strongly, but being happy about victories is fine.

Alcon, I essentially agree with what you said. My comments are aimed at the gleeful Dems who are viewing these races as a "proxy battle" between Bush and the Dems in general.

I don't even see jfern having done that.  If you're going to hold us (the  Dems on the forum in general, or the less partisan ones in general) responsible for the idiots on television, feel free, but there's no use in it...

[MarkDel]

Mark,

Democrat wins a close win in a weakly Republican state in a race where the Republican was, for a long time, heavily favoured.

Republican wins an expeccted landslide in a heavily Democratic city.

Which is more immediately exciting?  The first, because it is not expected.  It is natural human emotion to be excited about competitive races.  I don't see why it surprises you that Democrats are exciting.

Alcon, I see your point, but all the polls I saw in the last week showed that Kaine was EXPECTED to win. Sure he was way behind in the early stages of the race, but this is not a huge upset. I do agree that this is a race Republicans SHOULD have won, but it's not the "drive to realignment" that the media types are spinning.

[Gabu]

Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

Virginia

Precincts Reporting: 2284 of 2426 (94.15%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,827,425   Voter Turnout: 41.05 %

  T M Kaine     Democratic    942,020    51.55%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    843,897    46.18%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    39,921    2.18%
  Write Ins          1,587    0.09%

New Jersey

3,680 of 6,310 Precincts Reporting
      
Jon Corzine  Dem  657,887  54.07%
Doug Forrester  Rep  521,655  42.87%

I'm too lazy to post the others.

[patrick1]

I'm surprised Corzine is winning by such a large margin.  I expected him to win by like 4% but not near this bad.  Furthemore, I don't think Bloomberg is going to win by nearly as much as some have predicted.  Dems still have a good base and I can't see Bloomberg cracking 60%.  I of course will probably be wrong.

[ag]

Any info on Virginia an Jersey legislaures?

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In St. Paul mayor race, real Democrat defeats faux Democrat.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5715831.html

[Keystone Phil]

If a Republican won in the heart of New England, would you not consider this a very good thing?

When the GOP retained the RI Governor spot, I wasn't going crazy.

I don't see anyone "going crazy".  There are a lot of Democrats who are happy to see these results, for sure, but I don't see anything abnormal in taking pleasure in a victory for one's own team.  Are we supposed to be going "ho hum, Kaine won, big deal"?

Not only did we refrain from celebration of our MA and RI Gubernatorial victories, we didn't even mention it.

[ATFFL]

I think Jake has been adequately brought up to speed.

Oh, the Ohio Reform props all look to be going down.

Detroit Mayor
Candidate   Votes   Percent   Winner
Freman Hendrix    24,277   59%   
Kwame Kilpatrick    16,514   40%   
Precincts Reporting - 99 out of 720 - 13%

And Detroit mayor is underway too.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If a Republican won in the heart of New England, would you not consider this a very good thing?

When the GOP retained the RI Governor spot, I wasn't going crazy.

I don't see anyone "going crazy".  There are a lot of Democrats who are happy to see these results, for sure, but I don't see anything abnormal in taking pleasure in a victory for one's own team.  Are we supposed to be going "ho hum, Kaine won, big deal"?

Not only did we refrain from celebration of our MA and RI Gubernatorial victories, we didn't even mention it.

Well, there were other races at the same time.

[Sam Spade]

Good, well it at least appears my predictions were close to correct.

The standard deviation that the Democrats should be counting to the anti-Bush vote is probably the plus margin to the Democrats from my expected totals in NJ/VA.

I know there's nothing scientific about it, but it feels about right to me.

I am also not surprised the Ohio ballot measures are going down.  I read through the actual language of the initiatives yesterday and I swear it made no sense to me.  If it makes no sense to me, then it certainly makes no sense to anyone else and people vote against what they don't understand.

[Storebought]

About New Jersey: It's as though, every two years, New Jersey voters collect 200 pound samples of its toxic sludge, dollops the sludge into dark blue business suits, then mail the sludge to Washington, D.C. and Trenton.

In more important electoral news

In White Settlement, a suburb of Fort Worth, voters rejected a proposal to change the town's name to West Settlement. Some citizens said the name taken in the 1800s for the city's white pioneers was politically incorrect and hindered economic development, but others believed the city should hang on to its heritage.