*Official Election 2005 Results Thread*

[Dave from Michigan]

I cna't believe kilpatrick one pathetic  Hopefully the city will go bankurpt and the people will regret there choice.  All i have to say if  Detroit

[Cashcow]

I cna't believe kilpatrick one pathetic  Hopefully the city will go bankurpt and the people will regret there choice.  All i have to say if  Detroit

Congratulations on inventing your own language.

[Dave from Michigan]

I cna't believe kilpatrick one pathetic  Hopefully the city will go bankurpt and the people will regret there choice.  All i have to say if  Detroit

Congratulations on inventing your own language.

I'm too mad to type

[MSUfan]

November 8 2005: Detroit slips deeper into hell................

[Dave from Michigan]

at least the city clerk who was mishandling absentee ballots and the commiting other election fraud lost reelection

[MSUfan]

at least the city clerk who was mishandling absentee ballots and the commiting other election fraud lost reelection

Good

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at least the city clerk who was mishandling absentee ballots and the commiting other election fraud lost reelection

Good

Hopefully they fired the head of the Public schools as well.

[MSUfan]

Hendrix would have won if the 18-25 age group didnt turn out for Kilpatrick.

[phk]

Thank god all those stupid propositions failed.

[The Duke]

Detroit
Kilpatrick 53% X
Hendrix   47%

Im speechless........................

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

[Dave from Michigan]

Detroit
Kilpatrick 53% X
Hendrix   47%

Im speechless........................

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

Kilpatrick is a horrible mayor who while the city has a big deficit bought a SUV for his wife with city money and has charged 200,000 on city credit cards and spend 120,000 of petty cash.  There also is the party at the mayor's residence that got way out of control, also a stripper who was at the party turned up dead.

[The Duke]

Detroit
Kilpatrick 53% X
Hendrix   47%

Im speechless........................

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

Kilpatrick is a horrible mayor who while the city has a big deficit bought a SUV for his wife with city money and has charged 200,000 on city credit cards and spend 120,000 of petty cash.  There also is the party at the mayor's residence that got way out of control, also a stripper who was at the party turned up dead.

My theme in this thread is that in spite of demands for "change", people voted for the status quo.  Kilpatrick's re-election makes no logical sense, and cna only be understood I think, as can many of these races, if we accept that some factor is preventing people from changing course at a time when they seem to desire a change in course.

Perhaps this is an effect of radical polarization?

[AuH2O]

What polarization? There ARE no Republicans in Detroit... it was D vs. D, and super dirty D beat competent D.

[Dave from Michigan]

Kilpatrick stole a page out of the coleman young playbook and used the race card and us (Detroit)  vs. them (suburbs) to win

[Dave from Michigan]

What polarization? There ARE no Republicans in Detroit... it was D vs. D, and super dirty D beat competent D.

true if anything it would be white vs black but not really because Detroit's only 12% white but according to the polls they voted like over 80% for Hendrix

any real polarization would be city vs. suburbs  of course suburban residents  can't vote

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

You can't evalate a teacher in the first two years.  Experts say it takes 4 years to evaluate a teacher's performance adequately, which means that incompetent teachers would not get tenured in the first place.

Its interesting that you defend the status quo against Arnold's school funding reforms by complaining that schools here don't get enough money.  Illogical, but interesting.

What experts are those?  Can you cite a reputable source - a professional study done by an impartial university researcher, something from the US department of education, even some half-witted right wing think tank?

Most folks who aren't cut out to teach remove themselves within the first two years.  And the burnouts have far more than five years experience, and many of them are burnt out not from the kids, but from ideologues who prefer to see the budget only in terms of short term gain rather than long term results (it takes years, even decades, for the impact of quailty eduction - or lack thereof - to be felt in the economy.), and short-shrift the schools because the results won't be seen until far after the next election.

Teachers are underpaid given the requirements they have to fufill, given lip service by the same politicans who ream them over and over again; then people wonder why we have a critical shortage of teachers in key areas.   And the teachers end up getting the blame for low test scores even though a lack of people in the profession makes it difficult to have enough teachers to meet the students needs.

And tenure is not a lifetime appointment like a seat on the supreme court.  It only guarenetees that a teacher who has achieved it gets a hearing to show that the firing was 'for cause', rather than for endorsing a candidate for the school board on their own time that the principal dislikes, or blowing the whistle on waste in the administration.

I agree with AL.  You need to stop drinking.

And teachers aren't underpaid, they only work 9 months out of the year for goodness sake.

LOL, another person makes the "California can only have 1 Democrat" mistake.

[Virginian87]

In school today, two of the most extreme left wing teachers started bragging about the VA and NJ races. I, of course, argued back but here's the one line I had to laugh at (and then counter): "America has spoken!" said the one teacher. See what I mean? America has spoken? Two states voted for Governor and this is the end of the President and the GOP Congress? Give it up, people.

"Bush won VA by eight points!" Yeah, ok. I understand that. Kaine won by about the same margin as Warner in '01 and Bush was very, very popular back then. People need to snap the hell out of it. VA is not going to suddenly become a tossup state (unless Warner is the nominee and yes, that is still unlikely to happen).

Jeez, where do you go to school?

[Virginian87]

Detroit
Kilpatrick 53% X
Hendrix   47%

Im speechless........................

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

Kilpatrick is a horrible mayor who while the city has a big deficit bought a SUV for his wife with city money and has charged 200,000 on city credit cards and spend 120,000 of petty cash.  There also is the party at the mayor's residence that got way out of control, also a stripper who was at the party turned up dead.

Kilpatrick is a moral wasteland.  If there is one city with massive corruption (and I've heard a lot from the Philadelphians here), it's got to be Detroit.  Wonder how bad the schools are there.

[King]

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

Good thing San Diego is too corrupt to have an incumbent to re-elect.

[Dave from Michigan]

Detroit
Kilpatrick 53% X
Hendrix   47%

Im speechless........................

The status quo is unstoppable.  What is going on here?

Kilpatrick is a horrible mayor who while the city has a big deficit bought a SUV for his wife with city money and has charged 200,000 on city credit cards and spend 120,000 of petty cash.  There also is the party at the mayor's residence that got way out of control, also a stripper who was at the party turned up dead.

Kilpatrick is a moral wasteland.  If there is one city with massive corruption (and I've heard a lot from the Philadelphians here), it's got to be Detroit.  Wonder how bad the schools are there.

schools are horrible the state actually took them over in 1999 but Detroit got control back last november i believe

[MSUfan]

The republican has a 980 vote lead in the AG race.

[Blank Slate]

The republican has a 980 vote lead in the AG race.

Boy that shrank from this morning.  Any link to these results?  And did they count all the provisional ballotts, yet?

[King]

http://sbe.vipnet.org/

[Blank Slate]

The republican has a 980 vote lead in the AG race.

Boy that shrank from this morning.  Any link to these results?  And did they count all the provisional ballotts, yet?

 

I just went to WDBI -- CBS TV in Roanoke, VA's website and it appears that the lead of McDonnell's has shrunk even further, although not a lot, but it's down to 963.

Here are the results as of now:

McDonnell (R)             969,976  50.02%
Deeds (D)                  969,013  49.98%

This is almost like the 2004 Washington state Governors race, but almost in reverse.     

[Blank Slate]

http://sbe.vipnet.org/

Well if I assume somewhat that vipnet is correct on the current vote total for Deeds (D) and WDBI is correct on McDonnell (R)'s vote total, than the new results are:

McDonnell (R)   969,976   50.02%
Deeds (D)        969,021    49.98%

Now a difference of 955 votes.   Yep this is sounding more and more like the 2004 Washington state Governor's race (but again, in reverse).

And this is a case for the saying:   "Every vote counts."   is correct.