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Question: In 2100, what will be the world's #1 superpower?
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India
 
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Mexico
 
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Pakistan
 
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« on: November 15, 2005, 03:35:20 PM »

For options 6-9, please elaborate.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 03:41:15 PM »

I don't think there will be a #1 superpower. It will either be world federalism, or a multipolar system. There's also a chance the US actually retains its spot.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 03:48:18 PM »

India. It is a relatively politically stable country, a good geographic position, large population and a bullish economy. The government is more flexable to Western interests than China and I think it will become 'the' new superpower, but could put it on a collision with China.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 04:20:12 PM »

It will still be the United States, though China and India (moreso China) would be in a close race for second place. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 04:21:08 PM »

Canada Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2005, 04:36:40 PM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2005, 04:52:35 PM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
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And Earl, I suspect Canada will join the U.S. eventually.
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2005, 05:02:32 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2005, 05:11:31 PM »

Mark my words: Liechtenstein Wink


Ok, seriously... assuming that it seems more or less absurd (at least for the moment Cheesy) that the EU will ever become a world power, it's a tie between the U.S., China, and India. The other candidates won't make it. Precondition is of course that there will still be something like "superpowers", which isn't guarenteed.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2005, 05:13:17 PM »

Define "superpower"
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2005, 05:14:46 PM »


Strictly speaking, military superiority over every other foreign power, and the ability to project that power across the globe. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2005, 06:10:44 PM »

At this rate, China. The US would have fallen like Britain did after WW2. Though anything else can happen in 100 years. We may see world government by then, or an Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia arrangement, or more than 180 countries in all shapes and sizes like now, or the human race could be extinct by then due to a nuclear war.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2005, 06:12:37 PM »

Nunavut.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2005, 06:16:16 PM »
« Edited: November 15, 2005, 06:18:45 PM by Frodo »

At this rate, China. The US would have fallen like Britain did after WW2. Though anything else can happen in 100 years. We may see world government by then, or an Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia arrangement, or more than 180 countries in all shapes and sizes like now, or the human race could be extinct by then due to a nuclear war.

You make a faulty comparison.  Britain eventually lost its status as a great power as a direct result of the First and Second world wars, having been bled dry of both men and treasure as it battled Germany.  Who knows how long the British Empire would have lasted if the Archduke Ferdinand was not assassinated, and neither war were fought? 

Barring any war with China, I do not anticipate we will follow quite the same ruinous path as our predecessor did.  We will likely decline gracefully over time, but China is so far behind us that I do not think it will take over our status as the world superpower by the dawn of the 22nd century.   
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2005, 07:21:41 PM »

<gazes into a cracked cystal ball> Here's my overall view of 2100, told to me by a crazed 113-year-old version of me:

There will be a 3-way struggle between the US and allies (including SEAsia aka Greater India/Thailand, the South American Republic, and Greater Australia), China and allies (including the Union of South American Socialist Republics), and the Caliphate (although it's a highly uneven war, chiefly between the US and China, the Caliphate being a nuked-out 7th century hellhole that hasn't been conquered largely because it isn't worthwile). Both the US and China have moonbases and Marsbases. 

China shall essentially absorb Korea, Vietnam/Laos, Mongolia, and eastern Siberia. Taiwan is not as, alongside Japan, Mexico, western Canada, Panama, the Guyanas, Ireland, Greenland, Iceland, Cuba, Belize, the Phillipines, and the Bahamas, it join the United States. Which has over 90 states now btw. 

Over 500 million died during the Caliphate War of 2041, which devastated much of the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. Paris, Cairo, Jerusalem, Mecca, Athens, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon, Riyadh, Haifa, Amsterdam, Medina, Damascus, Beirut, Tel Aviv, London, Manchester, Baghdad, Basra, Tehran, Lyon, Marseilles, Venice, Qoz, Addis Abeba, Timbuktu, Alma Aty, Kandahar, Islamabad, Karachi, and New Dehli were among the cities destroyed by nuclear fire. Of all the nations in the area, only India survives as a fully coherent nation - having merged with its allies in SE asia. The rest is nominally under the command of a 'Caliph' meeting in some surviving town (I think my future self claimed it was Tikrit...), but is really a bunch of petty squabbling fiefs that hate each other only a little less then they hate the rest of the world. Some are stronger then others - the former West Indonesia is one of the more frightening ones (everything from Bali east is part of Australia now - King George X rules the remnants of the Commonwealth from Sydney).

Europe's a mess - Russia's been reduced to its borders circa 1600 or so, the Caliphate "runs" much of Southern and Western Europe (including most of Britain - i hear they never managed to take over the Scottish highlands though, or a big chunk of Wales). Everything else is either a part of the Eastern European Union or the Scandinavian League. 

There are two non-US nations in South America: the South American Republic aka Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, and Chile, and the Union of South American Socialist Republics aka Venezuela, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina. There is considerable strife, especially in Colombia and Bolivia in the SAR and in Paraguay and Venezuela in the USASR.

There are now only 3 French-speaking nations on Earth: Quebec, Haiti, and Madagascar. The three most popular languages are English, Mandarin Chinese, and Arabic, in roughly that order.

There are about 7 billion people, of which 2 billion live in China, 1.5 billion in SEAsia, 1 billion in the United States, and 2.5 billion elsewhere. About 10 million people have left Earth and now live in one of several US or Chinese moonbases, the two US marsbases, the half-dozen orbiting space stations, or the O'Neill space colonies operated jointly by the US, EEU, Australia, and SEAsia (or rather, by corporations from those countries). 

Africa's population was decimated by AIDS. much of Africa is now under nominal Caliphate control, the rest is like it was back in 2005 except with fewer people.

Central America, aside from the now-US-ruled areas, is much like it always was. Of the 5 countries, 2 are corrupt democracies, 2 are run by military juntas, and one has a socialist dictatorship.

The Republicans and the Democrats have both long since collapsed politically. The four major parties are the Labor Party, the Whig Party, the Populist Party, and the Federalist Party. My 113-year-old self is a diehard Whig. The current President is Alberto Samosa, a Federalist. The Senate is run by a Whig-Federalist coalition, while the Populist-Labor coalition holds the House. 2100 is going to be an interesting election year...

As for how my 113 year old self is still alive and kicking? A mixture of gene therapy and cybernetics. He claimed to have been one of the 21st centuries great mad scientists, involved in some project involving AI androids (I couldn't get specifics). He certainly looked the part: frazzled white hair, glasses (despite the fact that most of that stuff's been cured), a bent posture, and a slightly maniacal laugh Tongue.
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2005, 07:42:51 PM »

Still the United States.

Also, I will be long dead, so it won't matter so much to me Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2005, 09:51:02 PM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
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And Earl, I suspect Canada will join the U.S. eventually.

Correction: The US will join Canada
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2005, 11:04:22 PM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
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And Earl, I suspect Canada will join the U.S. eventually.

Correction: The US will join Canada

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2005, 11:05:40 PM »

How the hell are we supposed to know what will transpire over the course of 95 years?

I would love to hear what people in 1910 thought the world would be like in 2005. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2005, 11:15:41 PM »

At this rate, China. The US would have fallen like Britain did after WW2. Though anything else can happen in 100 years. We may see world government by then, or an Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia arrangement, or more than 180 countries in all shapes and sizes like now, or the human race could be extinct by then due to a nuclear war.

Kind of hard for the United States to collapse like the British Empire, since the US acctually incorperates 98% of it's territory (99.9% once Puerto Rico becomes the 51st state) into it's boarders and grants full representation to all those citizens.

If you are speaking about the so-called "neo-imperialist" United States, this kind of "imperialism" does not generate nearly the level of resentment (towards the US in particular) as did Britian.

The way things are going, however, it appears as though the Western world as a whole will more than likey expireince continued decline of it's acctual power in this century.

If the Euroweenies don't get their ing act together, there will be no "Western Civilization" in 200 years.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2005, 12:03:25 AM »

There will be four dominant powers; first tier China and USA; second tier Europe and India.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2005, 12:05:05 AM »

btw, Australia is positioning itself smack band between India, China and America at the moment. Whoever 'wins', we can leech onto. Yay Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2005, 01:08:34 AM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
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And Earl, I suspect Canada will join the U.S. eventually.

Correction: The US will join Canada

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It was a joke, you are supposed to laugh Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2005, 01:14:19 AM »

Can't say for sure - a lot can happen in 95 years. Wars, technological advances, cataclysms, new nations forming on the ruins of old ones, ect.
^^^^

And Earl, I suspect Canada will join the U.S. eventually.

Correction: The US will join Canada

...must...refrain...from laughing...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It was a joke, you are supposed to laugh Roll Eyes

Good call; we gotta make them think it's a joke so we can surprise them all.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2005, 01:18:14 AM »
« Edited: November 16, 2005, 01:20:19 AM by phknrocket1k »


Strictly speaking, military superiority over every other foreign power, and the ability to project that power across the globe. 

Economic power will become the more dominant factor as opposed to military, as wars would have become more rare.

With that said, China and the US are headed toward a collision-course.
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