Allyson Schwartz

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Allyson Schwartz did not create CHIP. She interjected herself into the conversation at its ending c any member of the legislature. As for the base, the neighboring congressman did more to keep it open than Schwartz and its in the 13th!!!
Further, she does not vote in line with her district. The 13th is a moderate district; no lean. The district is prolife while Allyson ran an abortion clinic and has yet to change her views on the issue.
I do not know anyone in the district who has any strong view on Rep. Schwartz as she sorta disappeared once she got elected.

Beg to differ there buddy.  She votes in line with the district on labor, environmental, and fmaily planning issues, but there are some dissenters like yourself in the district and it's duly noted. 

Overall, I think that is an excellent paper.  Good work!

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Allyson Schwartz did not create CHIP. She interjected herself into the conversation at its ending c any member of the legislature. As for the base, the neighboring congressman did more to keep it open than Schwartz and its in the 13th!!!
Further, she does not vote in line with her district. The 13th is a moderate district; no lean. The district is prolife while Allyson ran an abortion clinic and has yet to change her views on the issue.
I do not know anyone in the district who has any strong view on Rep. Schwartz as she sorta disappeared once she got elected.

Where are you getting that the district is pro-life from?  Obviously, some parts in NE Philly but Montgomery County is very, very pro-choice.

Thanks for the props, Flyers.

DMK has this Knights of Columbus mentality that is prevalent in some parts of NE Philly.  West of US 1/Roosevelt Blvd., NE Philly is heavily pro-choice barring parts of Fox Chase and Somerton.  Even on the primarily Catholic east side of US 1, it is only a slight lean pro-life and even that I question.  I do not know where DMK is getting this data from. EVERY PA 13 poll showed the district is about 65% pro-choice overall with the NE Philly section averaging about 50-55% pro-choice. 

I will give Keystone Phil, DMK, and a few others this.  You guys are very vocal about your pro-life convictions and I see pro-life bumper stickers at Acme parking lots, however few and far between.  They are also a particularly angry group here because they know they're in the minority.  However, in a few state House seats, such as Perzel and O'Brien's districts, pro-lifers are a force to be reckoned with and can't be discounted at all.   

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Let me start by saying this... Allyson Schwartz is doing much better than I thought she would do - I still think others would be more suited to Represent 13 in the House, she is not doing a terrible job.
If every pro-lifer in the district were to vote against Allyson Schwartz, every pro choicer to vote for her and every "in the middle" were not to vote at all I would bet that it would be a VERY close race. (and No, I am not willing to guess who would win).
I do recognize that MOST of 13 is not pro life but I also recognize that it is not pro choice either. It is very much moderate -- every poll you show me that has a pro choice lean, I will show you one with a pro life lean. It depends on who is pushing the poll and you know it. I am willing to admit that this district does not have any heavy lean -- you are not and you are just pushing an agenda.
Allyson Schwartz's stances are NOT in line with the district. If she were to say vote in against abortion in cases other than rape and incest, I would say she is in line with 13. If she were to vote in favor of civil unions but against gay marriage, I would say she is in line with the district. (Her view is in favor of marriage, I am not citing any vote that has or has not occurred) If she voted to give tax breaks to small business instead of against drilling in ANWR (which the Alaskans overwhelmingly favor) I would say she is in line with the district.
Oh, and the criteria I just used would apply to any Republican from 13 as well. I may not agree with it but when it comes to being in line with PA 13, that criteria is quite accurate. For better or worse Allyson is not in line with the district and its that easy. I am not using that against her because frankly, I am not in line with the district.
PS: thank you Congresswoman Schwartz for your actions on the Floor that called for the House conferees to the Fiscal Year 2006 Science, State, Justice and Commerce appropriations bill to look into Gasoline Price Gouging. That WAS in line with the district.

I know where PA 13 is pro-choice and where it is not.  We are a lean pro-choice district, sorry!  I also realize we are not Massachusetts' 8th district either and pro-lifers are a strong constituency.  I will concede on parental notification and PBA Allyson is out of line with the district, but overall no.  I personally oppose parental notification requirements, but I know the district favors them.  Dennis O'Brien would be more out of line with this district on abortion than Allyson Schwartz.  The middle 20th percentile in the district pretty much has my position plus the parental notification which would come out to on demand outside of the 3rd trimester.   

Let me make a comparison here. Dennis O'Brien's position on choice PA 13-wide would be equivalent to that of me representing your PA House district in terms of being "out of step".  There is a formidable pro-choice population in PA 169, but I know you guys are in the majority there.  Same goes for PA 13 Congressional, but the other way around. 

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Let me make a comparison here. Dennis O'Brien's position on choice PA 13-wide would be equivalent to that of me representing your PA House district in terms of being "out of step".  There is a formidable pro-choice population in PA 169, but I know you guys are in the majority there.  Same goes for PA 13 Congressional, but the other way around. 

You are way more out of step in PA 169 than O'Brien would be in PA 13 when it comes to abortion.

Did you read my whole post?  There are pro-choice Catholics in PA 169, though not the majority.  Your pro-lifers are more vocal there and pro-choicers are generally sheepish and moderate about it I'll admit.

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Let me make a comparison here. Dennis O'Brien's position on choice PA 13-wide would be equivalent to that of me representing your PA House district in terms of being "out of step".  There is a formidable pro-choice population in PA 169, but I know you guys are in the majority there.  Same goes for PA 13 Congressional, but the other way around. 

You are way more out of step in PA 169 than O'Brien would be in PA 13 when it comes to abortion.

Did you read my whole post?  There are pro-choice Catholics in PA 169, though not the majority.  Your pro-lifers are more vocal there and pro-choicers are generally sheepish and moderate about it I'll admit.

There is no underground Pro Choice community that is just waiting to rise up. Whether they're vocal or not, they're still in the clear minority and you are still out of step even with them.

As are pro-lifers in PA 13.  You are the minority, get over it!  Schwartz votes in line with her district.  If anything I would have a legit complaint if I lived in PA 8.  Fitz votes WAAAAAAY out of step on choice there.

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Okay, maybe your partisan glasses are too tinted. PA 13 is not nearly as pro-choice as you are making it out to be. And guess what, I never said being out of line with the district was good or bad - in fact, I said that I am out of line with the district. Further, what does Representative O'Brien have to do with anything?! Did anyone ever say his stance on murder of babies with beating hearts was in line with 13? I didnt. You brought it up for whatever reason... i dont know why.

I was simply making a comparison with regards to O'Brien and yes I have checked his voting record on the issue.  Can't say I agree with it, but anyway...  On that note I am out of line with PA 13 on many of my social views, but then again they may simply be youth and I have never raised a family, so that may change (or so u hope ).  I also can't stand how dramatic some of you pro-lifers are on abortion.  I'm not trying to be PC here, but I have reasons for being pro-CHOICE.  This does not mean I openly advocate "baby murder" or some sick twisted right wing thing you may concoct.  I simply advocate the most humane method possible given a set of cicrumstances beyond my control and feel the woman herself has the power to make that decision.   

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Okay, maybe your partisan glasses are too tinted. PA 13 is not nearly as pro-choice as you are making it out to be. And guess what, I never said being out of line with the district was good or bad - in fact, I said that I am out of line with the district. Further, what does Representative O'Brien have to do with anything?! Did anyone ever say his stance on murder of babies with beating hearts was in line with 13? I didnt. You brought it up for whatever reason... i dont know why.

I was simply making a comparison with regards to O'Brien and yes I have checked his voting record on the issue.  Can't say I agree with it, but anyway...  On that note I am out of line with PA 13 on many of my social views, but then again they may simply be youth and I have never raised a family, so that may change (or so u hope ).  I also can't stand how dramatic some of you pro-lifers are on abortion.  I'm not trying to be PC here, but I have reasons for being pro-CHOICE.  This does not mean I openly advocate "baby murder" or some sick twisted right wing thing you may concoct.  I simply advocate the most humane method possible given a set of cicrumstances beyond my control and feel the woman herself has the power to make that decision.   

would you like to know why we get so dramatic? becuase it is MURDER of innocent babies! Its that easy. and the fact that you pro-murder of innocent baby folks do not see that really makes us sick. In many cases, it STOPS A BEATING HEART! It also physically hurts the baby... watch an ultrasound of a baby when an abortion is taking place... as soon as the "tools" make contact with the baby, the babies mouth opens... thats called a SCREAM FOR HELP. the silent scream. you sick pigs who take this lightly and say I am being dramatic can all go to hell because I am right.  Does this make me a crazy conservative as you are likely to make me out to be? I dont know but IF it does I will sure be proud of that title because of the "silent scream." Ya see, we pro-lifers work in reality and we hear the silent scream. Liberals dont see it so chose to ignore it. Pathetic!!!!

Harvard Medical Study just proved you wrong.  Fetuses feel nothing up until 30 weeks.  And who strongly supported the pro-choice Melissa Brown in 2004?  Exactly!  I disagree with partial birth abortion, but I'm not going to hold that against Allyson.  Remember, Melissa Brown had to change her position from basically being no different to a little more anti-choice, but that was to appeal to NE Philadelphians.

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well thats BS because ask any doctor what the mouth opening means they will tell you it is a silent scream. they do feal the pain... why in God's name would the mouth open EVERY SINGLE TIME an abortion is taking place and the "tools" touch the baby... also, why do all the babies frantically try to move AWAY from the "tools" turing an abortion? is it because they "dont feel anything?" you pig.... but you wanna talk about Harvard medical studies? lets do it...a Harvard medical study said that life ends when the brain wave ends. numerous other studies have shown that there is a brain wave within the first months of conception... within the time where a murder is still allowed by law. So, according to the Harvard study saying life ENDS with the ending of a brain wave, wouldnt that mean life BEGINS with the beginning of a brain wave?!
and by the way, jack, i never once defended Melissa's stance on abortion, she is dead wrong so to bring that up was a low blow from someone who didnt have any real defense. and by the way, brendan boyle, bobby casey jr., US Rep. Oberstar, US Senator Ben Nelson and many more are allll pro life democrats. (ya know just because for some outlandish reason, you felt like telling me of a Republican pro-abortion pol)

Why do you have to have to be so insulting to have an abortion conversation with me?   Gee, you never called Melissa Brown a "pig" for virtually having the same abortion posiition as myself.  How partisan.  I am aware of people like Brendan Boyle, Joe Driscoll, Mike McGeehan, Bob Casey, and Bart Stupak who are adamant pro-life Democrats and I have even told the first three square to their faces I don't agree with them.  At the same time I have told them why I don't agree with them in a respectful manner and they likewise were the same with me.  Why can't you be?

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You didn't see where he basically encouraged women to get abortions so he can have a relationship with them...(no lie)

Thats quite sick

Sex without guilt or baggage is a wonderful thing!  BOOYEAH!

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You didn't see where he basically encouraged women to get abortions so he can have a relationship with them...(no lie)

Thats quite sick

Sex without guilt or baggage is a wonderful thing!  BOOYEAH!

Thank God you'll never have a chance to reproduce.

How do you know?  I might have already did.....

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flyers, i told a friend of mine who worked at planned parenthood about your "sex without guilt or baggage is a wonderful thing! BOOYEA!" comment and she replied "well thats silly and irresponsible. that isnt the motive behind abortion, it isnt a form of birth control.. what that person said was just ignorance"

you are a sick sick b@st@rd if you really meant that quote and even pro-abortion girl agrees with me.

Nah, I just wanted to rile you up!  The fact you even mentioned that to someone what was posted on a Forum is frightening.  Wow, and you have a friend that works at PP?

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is it because they "dont feel anything?" you pig.... but you wanna talk about Harvard medical studies?

The reason I said that was to compare what you just said right here to what I said jokingly as a "pig".  Because I am pro-choice I am a pig?  Because your friend who works at PP is pro-choice she is therefore a pig?  Because Melissa Brown is pro-choice therefore she is a "pig"?  Yes, and Phil I took back my previous pro-choice statement because it was a rant and something I found out greatly affected that viewpoint and I apologized and feel very guilty for it.  That does not mean I am no longer pro-CHOICE.  Please DMK, don't whine to this person about how much of an ass I am without telling the full story.

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Update on the paper - unfortunetly there was a problem with electronic submission thing so I probably won't be getting it back till Friday or Monday.

I'd also like to ask Phil and DMK, if the district is so pro-life, why were 98% of the votes cast in this race (and 70% or so in the Republican primary) for a candidate who supports abortion rights?

One thing I have to give them is in PA 13 there are a lot of pro-life Democrats in NE Philly (McGeehan, Boyle, Driscoll, etc.) with Sen. Stack being a question mark and pro-choice Republicans in Montgomery County (Brown, Bard, Greenleaf, etc).  There was no pro-life Dem option the past primary unless State Rep. Mike McGeehan stayed in the race.  Had that been an option he would have surely cut into a lot of Joe Torsella supporters who are in fact pro-life.  That being said, the majority of PA 13 is pro-choice end of story.   

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I'd also like to ask Phil and DMK, if the district is so pro-life, why were 98% of the votes cast in this race (and 70% or so in the Republican primary) for a candidate who supports abortion rights?

I don't believe that PA 13 is a Pro Life district but it's not as extremely Pro Choice as Flyers wants people to believe.

I have not said nor have tried to leave you to believe PA 13 is an extremely pro-choice district, but it nonetheless leans that way.

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and not only that... I dont know any (other than you) pro-abortionish who thinks the act of abortion is a good thing to use whenever they make a msitake... they all think it is a "woman's coice"

Hence, that what my opinion is all joking or sarcastic comments aside.  I feel it is a woman's choice and a necessary evil in many cases.  I even favor a 3rd trimester ban except for the mother's life or physical health.  I so think we should also try to reduce the number of abortions through comprehensive sex education and encourage the use of birth control such as condoms and the pill.     

My comments were to dichotomize the extremities of your comment calling us pro-choicers "pigs."

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If you want to make me be your personal enemy, great!  Yeah, I'm sorry I went to 12 years of Catholic school, live in Northeast Philly and disagree with you on a woman's right to choose.  Some of us don't take what we've learned in Catholic school and look at the issue with blinders on when we reexamine the issues later in life.  Of course I did the pro-life rose selling thing in grade school when I was about 8 or 9 and thought abortion was baby killing and it was awful.  I then asked myself the simple question of WHY someone would do that.  When you live a comfortable life, you really have no clue as to the factors that may lead someone to arrive at the decision to terminate her pregnancy.  I also remember the GOP slanted literature handed to my family the Sunday before every election basically priaising the GOP candidate and making the Dem look like trash.  What are you trying to prove with me?  What more do you want me to say regarding the sarcastic, yet meant to be facetious comment I made? 

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well flyers, i have not ever made the decision to make you a personal enemy. in fact, i met you and like you.  i do however think what you said is disgusting. any my pro-life beliefs has NOTHING to do with my Catholic education. It has everything to do with stopping a beating heart and the silent scream. Wanna know what? I DONT CARE WHAT THEIR REASON IS FOR AN ABORTION!!!!! I DONT CARE!!!! It is the stopping of a beating heart. That is EXACTLY what it is in many cases. You have no right to make a decision to stop a beating heart... no matter how much of an inconvenience it may be for the mother.
Oh, and something I just though of..... you implied I am pro-life because my Catholic education. I am in favor of the death penalty which makes your point WRONG. I am pro-life because those babies cant speak for themselves. They try when their mouths open but we cant hear it. If the mother's life is at risk, I am sorry to say that I do not have a position on that because I just cant bring myself to think about it.

Well, I have a lot of respect for you too and I think you definitely have a future in politics.  I might have got a little hot and bothered when you called me a "pig" and maybe I should have reacted differently and addressed why I am truly pro-choice instead of some bonehead rant and I'm sorry.  Hopefully we can look past that. 

I'm also glad you admit your inconsistencies of your personal beliefs with the Catholic church's regarding the death penalty.  Too often people think they're holier than thou because they are "pro-life" and also favor the death penalty.  The one thing that bothers me is that position is omitted from pre-election literature after Sunday Mass is the death penalty.  It's all abortion, abortion, abortion and maaaaybe vouchers. 

Well, no one likes to admit they abort for incovenience, but the fact of the matter is that's the case in over 50% of abortions.  Look, I take socioeconomic factors into consideration when evaluating my position on choice.  More times than none, a woman will decide to keep her baby.  She will have the guilt of having something ripped from her, but that is for her to deal with, not a judge, clergy member, or legislator.     

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If you want to make me be your personal enemy, great!  Yeah, I'm sorry I went to 12 years of Catholic school, live in Northeast Philly and disagree with you on a woman's right to choose.  Some of us don't take what we've learned in Catholic school and look at the issue with blinders on when we reexamine the issues later in life.  Of course I did the pro-life rose selling thing in grade school when I was about 8 or 9 and thought abortion was baby killing and it was awful.  I then asked myself the simple question of WHY someone would do that.  When you live a comfortable life, you really have no clue as to the factors that may lead someone to arrive at the decision to terminate her pregnancy.  I also remember the GOP slanted literature handed to my family the Sunday before every election basically priaising the GOP candidate and making the Dem look like trash.  What are you trying to prove with me?  What more do you want me to say regarding the sarcastic, yet meant to be facetious comment I made? 

You're an obnoxious slimeball. I wouldn't call you that if you presented your views respectfully but you're the trash that you post warrants that response.

Do you have to be so rigid towards people that don't agree with you?  I realize I'm not the most couth person in the world and I tend to slip and lot of stupid things, but unlike DMK, you have a lot of issues to deal with yourself if you were to enter politics.  Notice how he said my "views" were disgusting.  Ok, fine, I respect that.  Over the past few threads you have resorted to personal attacks and name calling.  You nailed Demoteen for that when I brought him on here for the same thing and have even tried to correct him when I talked to him personally.  Guess what?  You are acting just as childish if not worse.  You have a history of doing that to other Forum members on here and they have told me so.  I also love how you defend NixonNow and Naso for making personal attacks just because you are in the same party as them.  I have only defended NixonNow from getting banned because I think that's authoritarian, not on what he said.  I know I would have never been extended the same courtesy from you had I said 1/4 of the stuff they said and in fact you'd be the first in line to call for my head.  

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For the record, I got an A on the paper, although my professor found a couple typos.

I knew you would.  Paper was excellent.

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For the record, I got an A on the paper, although my professor found a couple typos.

I knew you would.  Paper was excellent.

No, it was the damn liberal professoriate

Thanks Flyers.  And, yes, the professor is very liberal.  He's actually a local Democratic officeholder and usually starts class with a 20-minute rant discussing the problems facing the Republican party.

Well, there maybe a liberal bias, but still a good paper.  I do sometimes think that conservatives suffer under PC liberal professors and seen it myself at Temple.  I had one ultra-feminist that subtly favored women and pushed women's studies classes on us and this was a history class.

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Each student in my Gov class has to pick one member of the House, analyze their last ten votes, give a reason for each of their votes and a description of the district.

I picked my least favorite member - Bernie Sanders of Vermont (I get to describe Vermont. What fun!). My liberal girlfriend wanted me to pick someone for her so I chose Pete Sessions of Texas. Those that are different from us are always the most fun to analyze. 

I would have had so much fun with Pat Toomey!