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Question: What party would you vote for in the next Israeli election?
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Likud
 
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National Responsibility
 
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Labour
 
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Shinui
 
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Shas
 
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National Union
 
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Yachad
 
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Mafdal
 
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Agudat Israel
 
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Degel HaTorah
 
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Hadash
 
#12
Balad
 
#13
Yisrael Ba'aliyah
 
#14
Balad
 
#15
Ra'am
 
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« on: November 21, 2005, 11:20:28 PM »

Summaries:

Likud - Sharon's old party, far right hardliners
National Responsibility - Sharon's new "centrist" party, which will probably contain some ex-Likudniks with him and some possible crossovers from Labour including Peres, the former leader, in other words probably more likely to be a UAC-type party than a true centrist party like I said in the other thread
Labour - Main leftist party, but turned more hawkish in recent years and entered coalition with Sharon. New leader is much less hawkish and broke with Sharon
Shinui - Basically libertarians
Shas - Probably best described as "Jewish-democratic", the equivalent of European Christian-democratic parties.
National Union - nationalist lunatics even nuttier than Likud
Yachad - new party, merger of several other parties, intended to be a more dovish leftist party with Labour's turn to the right initially
Mafdal - opebo'd love these guys since their name actually literally means "Religious Party".  Extreme nationalists and theocrats
Agudat Israel - Extreme Orthodox Jews
Degel HaTorah - Also extreme Orthodox Jews, used to be merged with AI but just split
Hadash - commies
Balad - Arab minority party
Yisrael Ba'aliyah - Party of Jews of Russian orgin
Ra'am - much more extreme Arab party. Contains Islamists

Anyway, while I'd be more inclined to vote Yachad, but I'd probably vote Labour in the next election to show support for Peretz, who I like a lot.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2005, 11:24:44 PM »

I'd continue to back Sharon, though the preponderence of rightist parties would win my vote in other elections.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 01:08:10 AM »

Anyway, while I'd be more inclined to vote Yachad, but I'd probably vote Labour in the next election to show support for Peretz, who I like a lot.

Same here but I'd consider voting for Sharon's new party merely to bring the entire political debate to the left.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 02:37:31 AM »

I'd vote Labour, since that is the party of Ben-Gurion, Moshe Dayan and Golda Meir. It is the party that pretty much founded Israel. I have great respect for the people listed above.

That being said,  I support Sharon's actions over the past 2 years and he is a much better PM than Netanyahu, who is always grandstanding on American TV.

Shinui as I understood it was more anti-religion than just plain libertarian, thats how it was described in the last election in January 2003, when it did very well, at the expense of Labour.

I hope Labour gains several seats in the election next year.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 02:45:29 AM »

I'd stick with Sharon and his new party.  He is doing what is best for Israel.  Shinui would be my 2nd choice.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2005, 07:10:47 AM »

I would have been a Labour supporter most of hte time, but now it's important to back up Sharon. He's getting the job done, so to say.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2005, 08:50:53 AM »

As an old fashioned British Labourite I would naturally be a Labour voter (even if only for emotional reasons last election...)

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No, Likud aren't far-right. On the right yes, and even more so now that the moderates are leaving, but they aren't actually calling for a Greater Israel or a halt to the peace process.

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No, they will certainly be centrists. You have to remember that in Israeli politics "left" and "right" refer to the peace process. For the past few decades bread-and-butter issues haven't really mattered so much, despite the depression. Most Israelis generally have moderately socialist views on economic issues and recent economic policies are pretty unpopular but don't split down left-right lines. The Ha'aretz newspaper generally takes an almost Thatcherite approach to economics for example.

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Not really accurate; the party ran a dove last election and came away with one of it's worst ever results (in fact it might have been it's worst ever result). Significantly the new leader didn't run based on the peace process; he ran on the economic depression and won because turnout in the Kibbutzes (Peres's traditional base) was low as there was no hawk to vote against. And he broke with Sharon for the same reason.

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Not at all; basically Secularists. More an anti-Shas party than anything else IIRC.

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A complicated party; ultra-orthodox but based around poorer immigrants from other middle eastern countries and so on. Usually the key coalition party.

The other parties don't really matter until after the election when they'll matter a lot.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2005, 09:04:40 AM »

New polls:

Ha'aretz-Dialog; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15
Yedioth Ahronoth/Dahaf; Sharon 33, Labour 26, Likud 12
Maariv/Teleseker; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15

For comparison the 2003 election results; Likud 40*, Labour 19, Shinui 15, Shas 11
For comparision the 1999 election results; Labour 26, Likud 19, Shas 17
For comparision the 1996 election results; Labour 34, Likud 32, Shas 10

*I think 40 is right; some small parties joined it immediately post-election.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2005, 09:58:38 AM »

Labour (I'd be a Labour 'hawk')

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2005, 11:03:43 AM »
« Edited: November 22, 2005, 11:05:51 AM by The new and improved Old Europe »

Although it may sound a bit contradictory now, I have sympathies for (or at least for some individual points of the respective party platforms) Labour, Yachad, Shinui, and perhaps even this new National Resonsibility party.

But I'm probably identifying myself the most with Labour. So I would vote for them.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2005, 01:50:27 PM »

Likely the National Responsibility Party. Past them, I'd be a, you guessed it, swing voter. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2005, 02:19:26 PM »

Labour, probably, though I would have no problem with a tactical alliance with National Responsibility if it means carrying through with the peace process. 
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2005, 02:21:00 PM »

I am surprised no one has voted Likud yet. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2005, 03:12:09 PM »

Probably Labour.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2005, 04:44:23 PM »

I have long ago decided for myself that in Israeli politics I would have been sentensed to be voting Hadash. This has nothing to do with their policies: I am a comitted anti-communist, and Israel would be the only country where I would vote for a Communist party. The problem is that Hadash is the only explicitly bi-communal party, and as a non-Zionist ethnic Jew of internationalist persuasion I do not view either the Zionist Jewish or Arab Nationalist parties as acceptable. 

In the absence of that consideration (i.e., if the Arab-Jewish issues, at least within Israel, had been resolved), I'd vote Shinui, I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2005, 04:51:18 PM »


Shas - Probably best described as "Jewish-democratic", the equivalent of European Christian-democratic parties.

Shas are not "Jewish Democrats". It is a mix of an ethnic (Sefardic) movement and a religious cult (loyal followers of a semi-senile rabbi, who decides "major things") with a slightly thuggish political wing (the political, as distinct from religious, leaders of the party normally sit squarely on the prison fence over the corruption accusations). May be, just may be, you could compare it to local Christian Democrats in some of the more obscure parts of post-war Sicilli, but not with "normal" European Christian Democrats.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2005, 06:41:36 PM »

Likud, yep I'm the first

And I wouldn't describe Mafdal in the way you do at all. They are named the Religious Party, but that's because they are affiliated with the Religious Zionist Movement, which is basically composed of Modern Orthodox, not Haredi, Jews.
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2005, 02:00:55 AM »

New polls:

Ha'aretz-Dialog; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15
Yedioth Ahronoth/Dahaf; Sharon 33, Labour 26, Likud 12
Maariv/Teleseker; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15

For comparison the 2003 election results; Likud 40*, Labour 19, Shinui 15, Shas 11
For comparision the 1999 election results; Labour 26, Likud 19, Shas 17
For comparision the 1996 election results; Labour 34, Likud 32, Shas 10

*I think 40 is right; some small parties joined it immediately post-election.

Al, those polls are for the projected number of seats each party will win, right? Or are they percentage of the popular vote?

All three agree that there will be a noticable increase for Labour, which is great.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2005, 04:47:20 AM »

Number of seats; 19 seats usually means about 14% of the popular vote
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2005, 05:27:53 AM »

So there'll be a Sharon-Labour government?
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2005, 07:46:13 AM »

So there'll be a Sharon-Labour government?
Not necessarily given that Labour walking out of the coalition is the reason for the new elections.
Quite possible though.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2005, 09:14:45 AM »

New polls:

Ha'aretz-Dialog; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15
Yedioth Ahronoth/Dahaf; Sharon 33, Labour 26, Likud 12
Maariv/Teleseker; Sharon 30, Labour 26, Likud 15

For comparison the 2003 election results; Likud 40*, Labour 19, Shinui 15, Shas 11
For comparision the 1999 election results; Labour 26, Likud 19, Shas 17
For comparision the 1996 election results; Labour 34, Likud 32, Shas 10

*I think 40 is right; some small parties joined it immediately post-election.

Pretty good, if it means both Labour and Sharon gaining on Likud

It's hard to believe that Labour - the hegemonic party from 1948-1977, though with various names, were reduced to 19 seats Sad in 2003

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2005, 09:23:20 AM »

Pretty good, if it means both Labour and Sharon gaining on Likud

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A drop from 40 to about 15 would probably be the largest fall in Israeli history (I'll have to check the Knesset website though).

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The strangest part is the drop from 1992 to 2003; from 44 seats to 19 in a decade, losing seats every election. The party lost touch with it's roots, forgot why it existed, didn't reach out to the new immigrants and paid the price.
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2005, 09:28:48 AM »

Labour's raw vote:

1992; 906,810, 1996, 818,741, 1999 670,484, 2003 455,183

During this period the Israeli electorate grew by over a million
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2005, 09:47:44 AM »


The party lost touch with it's roots, forgot why it existed, didn't reach out to the new immigrants and paid the price.

That explains it then

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