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Question: Do you support a universal, single-payer healthcare system provided by the federal government?
Yes   -101 (60.8%)
No   -65 (39.2%)
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Total Voters: 163

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« on: December 05, 2005, 09:49:34 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2005, 09:52:42 pm »
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I had an indepth post with a poll about this exact subject about two months ago. If I remember correctly about 40% supported while 60% opposed. The thread also reached a good 9 or 10 pages.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2005, 09:52:57 pm »
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No. Among ideas that are actually being seriously considered by politicians today, I can think of nothing worse than the idea that the government should pay everyone's healthcare costs.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2005, 09:55:16 pm »
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No.  The universe can pay for its own health care.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2005, 09:55:32 pm »
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Only if it's two-tier.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2005, 09:59:51 pm »
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Only if it's two-tier.

You disappoint me, Lt. Governor Sad

I voted yes, of course. Health care is a right, and no one deserves better health care than anyone else.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2005, 10:01:47 pm »
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Hell no.

Health care is a right

No, it isn't.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2005, 10:04:10 pm »
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Only if it's two-tier.

You disappoint me, Lt. Governor Sad

I voted yes, of course. Health care is a right, and no one deserves better health care than anyone else.
You make me beem with pride, GOvernor. We'll (meaning me Wink) will make a socialist out of you yet. Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2005, 10:08:07 pm »
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2005, 10:11:15 pm »
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No.  We do not need to add yet another layer of "Big Government" and "Big Taxes" on the population of the nation. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2005, 10:11:51 pm »
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

How is it your right to take money from other people to pay for your healthcare?
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2005, 10:18:59 pm »
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How is it your right to take money from other people to pay for your healthcare?

I did not plan to participate in this thread, but I just need to respond to this misleading comment.

Dibble, you already pay for other people's healthcare. What do you think one of the reasons is for such high health insurance premiums? On average, more than $1,000 of a person's annual health insurance premium  goes towards paying the health care costs of the uninsured/underinsured.  The current system is one of cost-shifting, where we all pay for those without health insurance and those who have no health insurance.

So, in essence, what you're complaining about already exists.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2005, 10:23:37 pm »
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I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

See my comment directly above.  You are already paying for other people's health care.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2005, 10:24:46 pm »
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How is it your right to take money from other people to pay for your healthcare?

I did not plan to participate in this thread, but I just need to respond to this misleading comment.

Dibble, you already pay for other people's healthcare. What do you think one of the reasons is for such high health insurance premiums? On average, more than $1,000 of a person's annual health insurance premium  goes towards paying the health care costs of the uninsured/underinsured.  The current system is one of cost-shifting, where we all pay for those without health insurance and those who have no health insurance.

So, in essence, what you're complaining about already exists.

That's only the case if I decide of my own free will to purchase health insurance - under your proposed system I'm forced to against my will whether I want to or not.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2005, 10:27:09 pm »
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I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

See my comment below.  You are already paying for other people's health care.

You are operating under the assumption I have health insurance.  I, in fact, do not.
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2005, 10:27:59 pm »
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No. Among ideas that are actually being seriously considered by politicians today, I can think of nothing worse than the idea that the government should pay everyone's healthcare costs.

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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2005, 10:29:18 pm »
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You are operating under the assumption I have health insurance.  I, in fact, do not.

That is quite foolish for a 33-year old. Let's hope you remain in good health.
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You are operating under the assumption I have health insurance.  I, in fact, do not.

That is quite foolish for a 33-year old. Let's hope you remain in good health.

No, I have made other arrangements to pay for long term health issues I may get.

Though I am going to get full coverage paid for by my employer soon.
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

Get your own free health care. You don't pay into our system, so you don't get to reap the benefits.
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

Get your own free health care. You don't pay into our system, so you don't get to reap the benefits.

So candians who do not pay taxes and thus do not pay into the system should not get the coverage then, right?
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

Get your own free health care. You don't pay into our system, so you don't get to reap the benefits.

People in Canada who don't make any money also don't pay into the system, but you seem to have no problem with paying for them.
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Maybe not in self centred-Libertarian land, but here in the land where people care about one another, it is.  Health care is my right, and I'll be damned if a greedy Libertarian will say otherwise.

I'll be sure to bill all my health bills to Canada.  If it s a right, you will surely pay for mine with a smile.

Get your own free health care. You don't pay into our system, so you don't get to reap the benefits.

People in Canada who don't make any money also don't pay into the system, but you seem to have no problem with paying for them.

Ahh, going down that route are we? Let me choose a different path then, health care is a right in Canada. Clearly, it is not a right in the U.S. It's a right, it's my right as a Canadian citizen. And it should be a right for Americans. However, since it isn't, and since the U.S. is a different jurisdiction altogether, don't expect me to pay your health care costs.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2005, 10:41:41 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2005, 10:44:09 pm »
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Your favorable view of coercion is sickening.

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