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« on: December 08, 2005, 09:19:17 PM »

JFraud is of course ignoring the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" line, which is what the bill's proponents say excludes illegal immigrants.

They're wrong, yes, but his post does nothing to address why they're wrong. It was actually him that was hopelessly confused.
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2005, 09:48:16 PM »

I've never quite understood this notion of someone being born in America becoming a citizen, even if neither of the parents are citizens.  Where did it come from?

"In the beginning . . ." You have to remember what was going on in the US when this was written.  Residents of the colonies  were still citizens of England.  The residents had to be naturalized as citizens of the US after the war was won.  To ensure there was no confusion, those born to the naturalized citizens were automatically citizens as well.  What people tend to overlook is the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction," since there were laws regarding how citizens were to be naturalized.  Just "being here" didn't count.  However, at some point in our history, we lost sight of that and became "the nice country" and just gave citizenship away to every baby that popped out of an illegal alien.

What a thoroughly ridiculous post. The Fourteenth Amendment was adopted after the Civil War.
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A18
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2005, 12:32:46 PM »

The power to enforce is not the power to define; it is the power to provide remedies for.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 12:32:13 AM »

His post was not racist at all.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2005, 12:38:57 AM »

Didn't say I agreed with you. Merely that your post wasn't racist.
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A18
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2005, 12:48:25 PM »

I doubt illegal immigration is popular, even among Hispanics.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2005, 12:49:50 PM »

Excellent!  I hope the GOP keep pushing on initiatives like this, as well as go Tancredo's way on immigration reform -the more they do, the more they will alienate Hispanics, the largest single minority in the United States, and a growing electoral force.  This is a gift that Democrats should recognize for what it is. 
I agree with your statement. We need to get the GOP out of power and if it means watching them support proposals like this....

And you have a positive economic score why?

Change that avatar to Democrat.
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A18
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2005, 01:16:35 PM »

What 'theocratic' things has the GOP done recently?
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2005, 01:22:14 PM »

But what have they done, in terms of policy?
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2005, 01:41:56 PM »

I thought we were talking about theocratic measures. With regard to drug laws, you should look at the dissenters in Gonzales v. Raich.

What party has advocated abolishing the FCC's censorship powers?
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