Kansas professor quits department chair

[WMS]

If some university had a course entitled "Lets make fun of all the silly things in Islam" - the media would give it more coverage than WW II.

Making fun of Christianity is ok however.

These religious Right folks do scare me a bit, but in terms of being under attack by the political Left simply for what they believe... they actually do have a point.

Which I find kinda scary too....

Absolutely nailed it, Vorlon.

ID/Creationist vigilantes BEAT UP the guy like we're in friggin Pakistan or something. Knowing how much Americans love their guns I'm suprised they didn't shoot him.

This is a dangerous time to be a liberal in this country. Conservatives never have to worry about be violently attacked (heckling Ann Coulter doesn't count as violent).

What made me so proud of this guy was his private email. Those are the kind of words that we Theory of Evolution types think but are to afraid to say b/c of the potential repercussions. We shouldn't take abuse like this from the religious activists anymore.

You conservatives keep telling yourself that 1 college professor was a huge threat to your ideology. Meanwhile, Dr. Mirecki will still be recovering in a hospital.

You are such a f****** bigot, you know that? I see you haven't changed one whit from before.

[WMS]

You are such a f****** bigot, you know that? I see you haven't changed one whit from before.

Yet you don't say a word about John Ford threatening to kill Russ Feingold in the other thread. I assume you have no problem with that because Ford is a Republican?

Of course not, John Ford is a GOD.







Haven't read that thread, so N/A. I doubt Ford is being serious...

You are such a f****** bigot, you know that? I see you haven't changed one whit from before.

And yet not a word about the violence by these angry conservatives. I assume you're OK with that as well.

If any liberals beat a conservative professor, the story would be on Fox News 24/7. Yet this one is kept quiet and Fox News will never mention it.

No, I don't agree with that, either. I'm not surprised by it - go into the middle of Berkeley and talk about how much you love George W, and see what happens - but I don't think it should've happened. By the way...if a neo-Nazi had made hateful emails about minorities and was later beaten up by two angry minority males because of it, would you still be so outraged?

And I will not comment on the media bit because I know very damn well all the media is biased, to one side or another, and ALL of it is sensationalist, ergo reporting will vary a lot.

[WMS]

Haven't read that thread, so N/A. I doubt Ford is being serious...

Just the response I was expecting. IOKIYAR (It's OK if You're a Republican) is the motto of this board.

If I had said anything close to what Ford said, you'd be going crazy right now.

Misread the comment, hoss. I did manage to find the thread a minute ago and it seems to me that John Ford had a Jake moment.

Nah, I'd probably just ignore it like I do most of the other comments and get some popcorn for the mini-flame wars that pop up (Al vs. Jfern is a particular favorite of mine).

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I love these types of rationalizations.
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I'm drawing a parallel to erase any side's claim that only their opponents are capable of such acts. A rather anti-PC libertarian history professor who taught at UNM (before the lefties and righties united in an unholy alliance to drive him out ) got physical threats against him from all sorts of leftists at the university, so I know very well your side is as capable of this as the right. That is part of the point I was making: that all sides are capable of this.

The other part of the point is that if you stick your hand into a beehive, you are much more likely to get stung, regardless of the morality of it all.

I think you have trouble reading. WMS said he doubts Ford is being serious, not that "it's okay if you're a Republican." And, actually, Ford did not threaten to kill Feingold even as a joke.

Why, thank you, Philip. That's what I meant.

[WMS]

If some university had a course entitled "Lets make fun of all the silly things in Islam" - the media would give it more coverage than WW II.

Making fun of Christianity is ok however.

These religious Right folks do scare me a bit, but in terms of being under attack by the political Left simply for what they believe... they actually do have a point.

Which I find kinda scary too....

Absolutely nailed it, Vorlon.

ID/Creationist vigilantes BEAT UP the guy like we're in friggin Pakistan or something. Knowing how much Americans love their guns I'm suprised they didn't shoot him.

This is a dangerous time to be a liberal in this country. Conservatives never have to worry about be violently attacked (heckling Ann Coulter doesn't count as violent).

What made me so proud of this guy was his private email. Those are the kind of words that we Theory of Evolution types think but are to afraid to say b/c of the potential repercussions. We shouldn't take abuse like this from the religious activists anymore.

You conservatives keep telling yourself that 1 college professor was a huge threat to your ideology. Meanwhile, Dr. Mirecki will still be recovering in a hospital.

You are such a f****** bigot, you know that? I see you haven't changed one whit from before.

Oh for christ sake calm down........"from before" what?

I had a good weekend so I'm calmer now. I'll reply to this and everything else later Monday or Tuesday (I've been very busy).

EDIT: OK, this could be quite some time...*VERY* busy, with a lot of different things to deal with...

[WMS]

I did say I'd get back to this, so, the first part...

I think you have trouble reading. WMS said he doubts Ford is being serious, not that "it's okay if you're a Republican." And, actually, Ford did not threaten to kill Feingold even as a joke.

Why, thank you, Philip. That's what I meant.

Man, when Phillip is correcting you . . .

Although he was actually supporting me, not correcting me.

Scoonie, you're embarrassing yourself again.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out that all these libertarians on here are really Republicans, Joe Republican.

Um, what?  He started off with WMS, who is not a libertarian.

No, WMS is obviously a Republican, Joe Republican.

*snickers* From the perspective of the left wing, perhaps. From the perspective of people who live in the real world, no.

A follow up article on this incident. It even comes with a photo of the "beaten" Mirecki.

I'm starting to think that this "beating" is itself a hoax.

Let's consider the motivation for a hoax: Not only was Mirecki a Grade-A jerk for (1) creating a course designed to defame, in his own words, "a conservative minority", (2) he had the tactlessness to admit as much over an Email, because we all know how secure emails are...

When the chancellor of KU called Mirecki's words "repugnant and vile", and the administration forced his resignation, Mirecki had only one last option up his sleeve: The victim card.

What better to regain support than to say he was attacked by two Kansas rednecks on an abandoned highway just before the breakfast hour?

Only problems with his story are (1) the suspiciously uncorroborable nature of his attack (2) the nature of the wounds themselves. Now, I've seen some real shiners -- horrible, weeping things that cause broken blood vessels in the eye, if the eye can even be opened, in addition to black-and-blue bruising -- and his don't look anywhere close to those that would be inflicted by two grown men. Hell, the whites of his eyes are clearer than mine!

When all the information of this spectacle is finally revealed, I will be sure that this is the Kansas equivalent of NYC's Tawana Brawley hoax.

The article: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/10/professor_blasts_ku_sheriffs_investigation/?ku_news

This was not commented on. Was this a hoax, after all?

If some university had a course entitled "Lets make fun of all the silly things in Islam" - the media would give it more coverage than WW II.

Making fun of Christianity is ok however.

These religious Right folks do scare me a bit, but in terms of being under attack by the political Left simply for what they believe... they actually do have a point.

Which I find kinda scary too....

Pretty much sums up my reaction to this kinda thing, I'm not a totally comfortable with the Religious Right, to say the least, but if anything the folks on the far "way-out" left who seem to taken delight in provoking Christians and other people of faith are even worse

I'm with Ben on this one...as usual.

[WMS]

Oh for christ sake calm down........"from before" what?

I had a good weekend so I'm calmer now. I'll reply to this and everything else later Monday or Tuesday (I've been very busy).

EDIT: OK, this could be quite some time...*VERY* busy, with a lot of different things to deal with...

Pym old boy, you seem to have a bug up your a$$ involving Christians. For the purposes of well, brevity, I'll just list stuff since your Dec 9 post.

I celebrate Christmas. I suppose that makes me a hypocrite since I bash American Christianity the other 364 days of the year, but there are some presents I'm too cheap to buy.

I wasn't on the forum when CT-Guy was here but I read some of his posts and he sounds like my long lost brother, although his people skills left much to be desired.

I was here, and he was one of the most hateful anti-Christian posters to ever spawn from the secular left, even giving Opebo a run for his money. And you're just like him, by your own words.

freedom fighters.

dont get me wrong, i disagree with most every position they have.

but they do have the right to be active in public affairs.  kudos to them for organizing and fighting for what they believe in.

No they shouldn't have any rights, they're a political organization that gets tax breaks they don't deserve.

I pretty much agree with WalterMitty on this one. I don't particularly agree with them, but they have every right to participate in politics, regardless of what some leftist yuppy from Connecticut thinks. You're being rather hypocritical here, Pym.

Dazzleman I'm sorry you feel that way. I wish people would stop acting as if BBM has an agenda like its the Passion or Narnia, (2 propaganda movies). Its just a western made for modern audiences, its status as a film milestone is secondary. Don't deliberately deny yourself the chance to see a great movie.

The fact that you called Narnia propaganda makes me laugh. Don't you work in a library?

Yes I do, it sucks that all the kids are reading Narnia these days. I never read it (I don't like fantasy stuff) and I've been known to refer to it as "The Passion of the Narnia."

But I figure its better to read Narnia which is only an allegory than filth like the Left Behind series. Thats a group of books about millions of people being killed that Christians find awe-inspiring fun

I don't mean to sound so negative, I guess I should like all books, but thats not the case. If I come across any good books I spread the word.

You actually think Narnia is bad for kids to read? WTF?! How far out in left field are you, anyway? God forbid any literature ever have Christian themes to it - whoops, I mentioned 'God'. I guess I'm a horrible 'religious' then.   And you haven't even read them?! Clearly, you must hate them just because there are Christian themes in them, regardless of the books' merits as literature in their own rights. Anyone who doesn't like C.S. Lewis is just whacked.

Left Behind series: no comment. Haven't read them, don't intend to.

You don't like fantasy? Fie upon thee, blasphemer!!!!!

And to clear this up, I have nothing against BBM. I might even see it at some point, just to see what all the fuss is about.

It certainly doesn't help the Democrats Carl, but Civil Rights should never be put up for a popularity contest.

And the Judges are doing their job in striking down outdated marriage laws. American law has no place for Judeo-Christian morality, just ask Thomas Jefferson. If the legislative branches at the state level weren't so ineffectual on this issue, then they could take care of it before the courts have to.

Leaving aside all the other stuff which reminds me why I am not a left-liberal I wasn't aware Thomas Jefferson was the sole authority on American law and morality. I will now inconvenience you by pointing out that most of the rest of the Founding Fathers would likely disagree with Jefferson - Patrick Henry certainly did. And did not Jefferson himself admire Judeo-Christian morality so much that he created his own version of the Bible, with the theology left out (he was a Deist after all) but the morality left in?

Dude, when you're bashing Christians you're acting just like Pat Robertson*. Think about that - bigotry is bigotry, regardless of its source, regardless of its target. Forcing your own secular values on them is just as bad as they forcing their religous values on you. They, admittedly, don't usually try to get the courts to institutionalize their points of view. But that is another long, long, debate...

-Citizen WMS, who doesn't care that you're a secularist as long as you stop attacking everyone who isn't!

*I would have said "like Fred Phelps", but Opebo has that analogy sewn up.