EU Parliament Elections

[Gustaf]

Hm... I haven't decided yet, but I won't vote for either the Greens or the Left Party - in Sweden they oppose the EU. Probably the Swedish liberal party.

Argh!

At least vote for Bijan Fahimi in that case, he's a reasonable person...he has some EU-scepticism, but far from enough...

I would, if I could vote, probably vote for Junilistan, the June List. They're EU-critical, though not as much as I would like, and reasonable on the issues. The other parties are all either pro-EU (M, FP, C, KD and SAP) or just plain whackos (V, MP).

[Gustaf]

I am not surprised...EDD in first place. If I could vote I'd vote for the Swedish party which is linked to the EDD.

EDD

UEN

(those were the only 2 with which I had major agreement)

GUE/NGL

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I disagreed with all others, most with the PES.

European Greens

ELDR

EPP-ED

PES

[Gustaf]

Much agreement:
1. EDD
2. ELDR
3. UEN
4. EPP
5. Greens

No agreement:
GUE/NGL
PES

Not too bad. Fairly close to me at any rate.

[Gustaf]

I am not surprised...EDD in first place. If I could vote I'd vote for the Swedish party which is linked to the EDD.

EDD

UEN

(those were the only 2 with which I had major agreement)

GUE/NGL

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I disagreed with all others, most with the PES.

European Greens

ELDR

EPP-ED

PES

The ultra right in second place. Now that's scary, Gustaf!

Not as scary as having the ELDR in first place, I'd say...

I'm anti-EU, and so are they..what can I say? I would never vote for a bunch of right-winged whackos, of course...

I wouldn't say ELDR are all that liberal...they're about as liberal as the old People's Party in Sweden.

[Gustaf]

The old People's Party, what's that? Frisinnade landspartiet? I don't understand your comparison in that case. ELDR is, as I understand it, sort of like Folkpartiet. It includes the Liberal Democrats of the UK, for example. And I think it is the most pro-EU-group too, isn't that right? Explains why you think it's scary. Please sort this out for me, Nils Lundgren-fantasten.

Förresten... du är inte släkt med honom?

Hehe, I simply meant pre-pseudo-fascist opportunist era...like the People's Party of, say, 5 years ago.

The ELDR is about as liberal as that, which means not much...

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a fan of him...I mean, the man wants us too remain a member of the EU!

I don't really want to give away my exact identity on the internet...even though I admittedly don't go to great lengths to keep it a secret either. So I wouldn't answer questions like that, at least not in an open message...

[Gustaf]

The old People's Party, what's that? Frisinnade landspartiet? I don't understand your comparison in that case. ELDR is, as I understand it, sort of like Folkpartiet. It includes the Liberal Democrats of the UK, for example. And I think it is the most pro-EU-group too, isn't that right? Explains why you think it's scary. Please sort this out for me, Nils Lundgren-fantasten.

Förresten... du är inte släkt med honom?

Hehe, I simply meant pre-pseudo-fascist opportunist era...like the People's Party of, say, 5 years ago.

The ELDR is about as liberal as that, which means not much...

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm a fan of him...I mean, the man wants us too remain a member of the EU!

I don't really want to give away my exact identity on the internet...even though I admittedly don't go to great lengths to keep it a secret either. So I wouldn't answer questions like that, at least not in an open message...

Ah, you think my liberalism is too unorthodox...

Hm... kryptiskt svar. Han är på tv och du försvinner från forumet... det finns ju klara likheter mellan hans sätt att argumentera och ditt, båda är ni nationalstatsförespråkare... hm... skulle också kunna förklara varför du är så intresserad och kunnig trots din ringa ålder... hm... hm...

I used to be a libertarian, the anti-FP reflexes are still there...

Lol...faktum är att jag tittade på Agenda-debatten... Man måste ju hänga med...fattar inte varför han inte nailade Centerns BS om smalare men vassare EU...ett parti som förespråkar jordbrukspolitiken kan inte rimligen mena det. Och att använda kriget på Balkan är ju löjligt...jag finner det alltid att smått komiskt att vad dessa varma EU-förespråkare antyder när de vill svskaffa vetorätten är att vissa av våra kära Europeiska vänner gärna skulle se lite bosnier stryka med och därför stoppa en resolut aktion...vilket liksom talar emot själva grundtanken med samarbetet.

[Gustaf]

Inte förespråkar centern en oförändad jordbrukspolitik?

Visst finns det sprickor här och var i EU-samarbetet, särskilt vad gäller försvarspolitiken...

Läs deras nya rapport...även om de vill göra en del typiskt svenska mes-reformer (vi ska vara snällare mot djuren, etc) motsätter de sig en ensidig Europeisk avreglering som skulle kunna öppna upp för konkurrens från Latinamerika och de motsätter sig bestämt en åternationalisering av jordbruket. Ringer det en klocka om jag säger Bondeförbundet?

[Gustaf]

Inskränkta dumma tölpar! Bakåtsträvande lantbruksromantiker och intresseparti för landsbygden!

That's the way...good boy, see what I mean? "smalare men vassare", jo jag tackar!

[Gustaf]

I think what the test was leaning toward was the possibility of taxing personal incomes, which it presently does not do. Even then, its present taxation powers are very limited in scope.

What? I thought the EU did not have taxation powers?

I thought that the fee we pay to the EU was from tax money collected by the national governments? Or am I missing something?

[Gustaf]

I think what the test was leaning toward was the possibility of taxing personal incomes, which it presently does not do. Even then, its present taxation powers are very limited in scope.

What? I thought the EU did not have taxation powers?

I thought that the fee we pay to the EU was from tax money collected by the national governments? Or am I missing something?

I think there are a few universally agreed taxes against businesses for environmental reasons (essentially green taxes), there are no taxes on personal incomes.

I don't think so...it's one of the issues in the Swedish debate. Our former EU-sceptic, now born-again federalist agrarians argues that we should introduce "green taxes" on the EU-level and the Social Democrats said firmly no, our PM claiming that it would be fundamentally at odds with Swedish soverignity to give the EU taxation powers. (one of the few times where I felt in agreement with the guy)

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

Yes most have, but our christian party has just changed its name from Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian Peoples Party) to Kristendemokraterne (Christian Democrats) and has got a lovely purple colour as their party colour
- And jurging by our statements on this forum I think that you would vote Junibevægelsen (June Movement) if you had the change. FB are way to left wing

Hehe...purple?

Yes, my vote would go to one of the 2 (?) conservatives on Junibevaegelsn's ballot. I was just saying that out of the 2 above mentioned parties, I would probably rather vote FB...

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

Yes most have, but our christian party has just changed its name from Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian Peoples Party) to Kristendemokraterne (Christian Democrats) and has got a lovely purple colour as their party colour
- And jurging by our statements on this forum I think that you would vote Junibevægelsen (June Movement) if you had the change. FB are way to left wing

Hehe...purple?

Yes, my vote would go to one of the 2 (?) conservatives on Junibevaegelsn's ballot. I was just saying that out of the 2 above mentioned parties, I would probably rather vote FB...

Try DR's election page and tell me who you hit. Lets see if you are right about that FB/JB-thing
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/eu-valg/index.jhtml?targetUrl=/pubs/nyheder/html/nyheder/eu/tema/ep-valg/test/index.htm

Sure. Back in aminute...

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

Yes most have, but our christian party has just changed its name from Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian Peoples Party) to Kristendemokraterne (Christian Democrats) and has got a lovely purple colour as their party colour
- And jurging by our statements on this forum I think that you would vote Junibevægelsen (June Movement) if you had the change. FB are way to left wing

Hehe...purple?

Yes, my vote would go to one of the 2 (?) conservatives on Junibevaegelsn's ballot. I was just saying that out of the 2 above mentioned parties, I would probably rather vote FB...

Try DR's election page and tell me who you hit. Lets see if you are right about that FB/JB-thing
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/eu-valg/index.jhtml?targetUrl=/pubs/nyheder/html/nyheder/eu/tema/ep-valg/test/index.htm

Sure. Back in aminute...

The tension is killing me......

This was a definite shocker...I wonder if I misunderstood some of the Danish?

Politikere tættest på dine svar:
  Rina Ronja Kari (Folkebev.) : 86 point
  Holger Nielsen Garner (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Christian Thygesen (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Thorkil Sohn (Folkebev.) : 81 point
  Gustav Sieg Sørensen (Folkebev.) : 81 point

Politikere længst fra dine svar:
  Stefan Seidler (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Steen Nielsen (Soc. Dem.) : 54 point
  Adam Lebech (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Camilla Hersom (Rad. V.) : 53 point
  Einer Lyduch (Soc. Dem.) : 51 point

It seems like I'm an FB-voter then...

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

Yes most have, but our christian party has just changed its name from Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian Peoples Party) to Kristendemokraterne (Christian Democrats) and has got a lovely purple colour as their party colour
- And jurging by our statements on this forum I think that you would vote Junibevægelsen (June Movement) if you had the change. FB are way to left wing

Hehe...purple?

Yes, my vote would go to one of the 2 (?) conservatives on Junibevaegelsn's ballot. I was just saying that out of the 2 above mentioned parties, I would probably rather vote FB...

Try DR's election page and tell me who you hit. Lets see if you are right about that FB/JB-thing
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/eu-valg/index.jhtml?targetUrl=/pubs/nyheder/html/nyheder/eu/tema/ep-valg/test/index.htm

Sure. Back in aminute...

The tension is killing me......

This was a definite shocker...I wonder if I misunderstood some of the Danish?

Politikere tættest på dine svar:
  Rina Ronja Kari (Folkebev.) : 86 point
  Holger Nielsen Garner (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Christian Thygesen (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Thorkil Sohn (Folkebev.) : 81 point
  Gustav Sieg Sørensen (Folkebev.) : 81 point

Politikere længst fra dine svar:
  Stefan Seidler (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Steen Nielsen (Soc. Dem.) : 54 point
  Adam Lebech (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Camilla Hersom (Rad. V.) : 53 point
  Einer Lyduch (Soc. Dem.) : 51 point

It seems like I'm an FB-voter then...

Aparently. I don't know any of the FB-people, but by looking at Rina Ronja Kari http://rina.folkebevaegelsen.dk/ I can see that she is very leftwing (Det frie Gymnasium is a left wing Mecca) but she is almost your age

Well...that's good I guess...

[Gustaf]

Always a bit on the late side, but took the test

Much agreement:
1. GUE/NGL (Good thing since I'm voting for them tomorrow)
2. European Greens
3. PES
4. ELDR

Little Agreement:

5. EDD
6. UEN
7. EPP

It fits, lucky me. (Last EP-election, I did a Danish test and hit spot on the person I already wanted to vote for!!!)

What GUE/NGL party? Not folkbevaegelsen I gather, but socialistiske venstre?

Don't worry, of course i'm voting Socialistisk Folkeparti (or Socialist Peoples Party , which sounds like a hardcore communist party from Vietnam or DDR ) FB er loonies

I don't know about worrying, I'd probably vote FB over SF...

Ah, yes socialistisk folkeparti...I think I mixed them up with the Norwegian counterpart...should have remembered that all Danish parties have folkeparti in their names.

Yes most have, but our christian party has just changed its name from Kristelig Folkeparti (Christian Peoples Party) to Kristendemokraterne (Christian Democrats) and has got a lovely purple colour as their party colour
- And jurging by our statements on this forum I think that you would vote Junibevægelsen (June Movement) if you had the change. FB are way to left wing

Hehe...purple?

Yes, my vote would go to one of the 2 (?) conservatives on Junibevaegelsn's ballot. I was just saying that out of the 2 above mentioned parties, I would probably rather vote FB...

Try DR's election page and tell me who you hit. Lets see if you are right about that FB/JB-thing
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/eu-valg/index.jhtml?targetUrl=/pubs/nyheder/html/nyheder/eu/tema/ep-valg/test/index.htm

Sure. Back in aminute...

The tension is killing me......

This was a definite shocker...I wonder if I misunderstood some of the Danish?

Politikere tættest på dine svar:
  Rina Ronja Kari (Folkebev.) : 86 point
  Holger Nielsen Garner (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Christian Thygesen (Folkebev.) : 83 point
  Thorkil Sohn (Folkebev.) : 81 point
  Gustav Sieg Sørensen (Folkebev.) : 81 point

Politikere længst fra dine svar:
  Stefan Seidler (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Steen Nielsen (Soc. Dem.) : 54 point
  Adam Lebech (Rad. V.) : 54 point
  Camilla Hersom (Rad. V.) : 53 point
  Einer Lyduch (Soc. Dem.) : 51 point

It seems like I'm an FB-voter then...

Aparently. I don't know any of the FB-people, but by looking at Rina Ronja Kari http://rina.folkebevaegelsen.dk/ I can see that she is very leftwing (Det frie Gymnasium is a left wing Mecca) but she is almost your age

Well...that's good I guess...

Just kidding Have a pleasant election tomorrow. Let's see is Folkebevægelsen gets a mandate. It does not look that good for them in the polls

Well, as long as Junilistan gets in, I'm happy. have to get up at 7 or 6.45 tomorrow to hand out ballots... *yawn*

[Gustaf]

Grattis, Gustaf! Seems like your family suddenly has three seats in the EU parliament

Gotten over it now? It seems like Maria Carlshamre will beat Schmidt for the 2nd FP-seat, are you happy about that? I am, she seems less enthusiastic about the union than him.

[Gustaf]

Sure, I've gotten over it... there were nice things about the election too, such as the social dems getting 24%! Feels good! When it comes to Carlshamre or Schmidt I don't really care, but I would prefer Schmidt since he has the routine necessary to accomplish something. Sending all these non-political people to Brussels won't solve much

Typical FP-thinking... I think it's better for people with real competence and experience, rather than power-hungry bureacrats to go into politics...