massachusetts, 1984.

[WalterMitty]

ok. we know why reagan won mass in 80, because of john anderson.

but how did reagan win the bay state in 84?

yes, i know mondale was a weak candidate and reagan was a popular incumbent.

but didnt mondale fit massachusetts better than reagan?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The answer is "Reagan Democrats":

[minionofmidas]

The answer is "Reagan Democrats":

Interesting Dem cluster there in Hampshire (that the name?) county.

[WalterMitty]

where have the reagan democrats gone, al?

actually, boston is rapidly losing its blue collar heritage.  the cost of living is much too high now.  soon all thatll be left in the city of boston is the very rich and the very poor.

[Beet]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

[minionofmidas]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

No, that's Martha's Vineyard. And it's just the tip of Cape Cod.
And the answer's obvious...No Working Class Democrats (except at the Western Tip of the Vineyard, but they ain't White), thence no Reagan Democrats either.

[Beet]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

No, that's Martha's Vineyard. And it's just the tip of Cape Cod.
And the answer's obvious...No Working Class Democrats (except at the Western Tip of the Vineyard, but they ain't White), thence no Reagan Democrats either.

Ok, thanks Lewis.

[dazzleman]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

[minionofmidas]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

And Blue.

[Beet]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

I see, yeah I was just saying Cape Cod while referring only to its tip so I should have been more clear. Nantucket seems to be blue on this map-- perhaps they were still voting economic interests in '84.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Interesting Dem cluster there in Hampshire (that the name?) county.

Lotsa students & etc in that blob; contains Amherst and all that. As another thing to note, if you look at Middlesex county, you'll see that Reagan won Lowell.

[minionofmidas]

Interesting Dem cluster there in Hampshire (that the name?) county.

Lotsa students & etc in that blob; contains Amherst and all that. As another thing to note, if you look at Middlesex county, you'll see that Reagan won Lowell.

No, because I don't know my way around that area that well. I see that Reagan won all the townships in that general area bar one, though.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

where have the reagan democrats gone, al?

They're still there (although not always living in the same places as '84), as you yourself noted a while ago (the split between the two sorts of Democratic legislators. It was in the Gubernatiorial board...) it's just that... well... when was the last time a GOP presidential candidate went after Massachusetts?
There were interesting echos of the possibility in '04 actually; Bush increased his vote markedly in the Boston Metro and came shockingly close to beating Kerry with Catholic voters.

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Sad but (in much of the city) true...

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It's like that in parts already IIRC

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, because I don't know my way around that area that well. I see that Reagan won all the townships in that general area bar one, though.

The one exception was (o/c) Lawrence... and even in that case, Mondale only won by 5%.

[dazzleman]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

And Blue.

What's the island below Cape Cod that's mostly red?  I thought it was Nantucket.  Nantucket is now a haven for flaked-out limousine liberals, but maybe it wasn't as much back then.

[minionofmidas]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Martha's Vineyard. Or just read through the thread.

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

And Blue.

What's the island below Cape Cod that's mostly red?  I thought it was Nantucket.  Nantucket is now a haven for flaked-out limousine liberals, but maybe it wasn't as much back then.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What's the island below Cape Cod that's mostly red?

Martha's Vineyard; makes up most of Dukes County

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'84 was the last election that Nantucket voted for a GOP Presidential candidate; in '88 it voted 59% for Dukakis and that was the end of that. Before then it had been loyally Republican (with the obvious exception of 1964) since 1920. As late as 1976, Ford won it by over 10pts.

[dazzleman]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Martha's Vineyard. Or just read through the thread.

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

And Blue.

What's the island below Cape Cod that's mostly red?  I thought it was Nantucket.  Nantucket is now a haven for flaked-out limousine liberals, but maybe it wasn't as much back then.

Martha's Vineyard?  OK, I always get that confused with Nantucket.
Yes, I should have read through the thread.  I thought I did, but I must have skipped something...

[WalterMitty]

where have the reagan democrats gone, al?

They're still there (although not always living in the same places as '84), as you yourself noted a while ago (the split between the two sorts of Democratic legislators. It was in the Gubernatiorial board...) it's just that... well... when was the last time a GOP presidential candidate went after Massachusetts?
There were interesting echos of the possibility in '04 actually; Bush increased his vote markedly in the Boston Metro and came shockingly close to beating Kerry with Catholic voters.

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Sad but (in much of the city) true...

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It's like that in parts already IIRC

al, you make some good points.

im guessing most of the reagan democrats are located in places like chelsea, charlestown, lowell, and worcester.  those are generally the areas that have the conservative leaners in the legislature.

as for dukes county, im pretty sure those folks still routinely vote republican for local offices.

[The Duke]

Reagan won Mass because he was that damn good.

[Erc]

And, yep, my town still voted for Mondale.  Not a big surprise there.  They've been doing so for as far back as the data goes (well, 1980).

[Cubby]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

How do they get their limousines to an island, Mr. Talibangelical conservative?

[memphis]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

How do they get their limousines to an island, Mr. Talibangelical conservative?

Indeed, the term :limousine liberal is highly absurd as the wealthy broke very heavily (as always) Republican.

[dazzleman]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

How do they get their limousines to an island, Mr. Talibangelical conservative?

Haven't you heard of the ferry?

[dazzleman]

What's with the solid Democratic colors on Cape Cod and... is that Nantucket?

Cape Cod is all blue except for Provincetown, which is a gay haven.  I think you mean Nantucket, which is a refuge for limousine liberals.

How do they get their limousines to an island, Mr. Talibangelical conservative?

Indeed, the term :limousine liberal is highly absurd as the wealthy broke very heavily (as always) Republican.

How does that explain the Hollywood stars?