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« on: May 14, 2004, 02:57:05 am »
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NDP easily wins vote
Eighth seat earns party official status

Vote seen as setback for McGuinty


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HAMILTON—New Democrat Andrea Horwath won the Hamilton East by-election last night, giving the NDP official party status and handing Premier Dalton McGuinty a devastating loss on the eve of next week's provincial budget.

In the biggest political setback of McGuinty's seven-month old government, Horwath, 41, defeated the Premier's hand-picked candidate Ralph Agostino, 42. Horwath took 63.6 per cent of the vote and Agostino 26.6. Conservative Tara Crugnale, 28, finished third with 7.4 per cent.

The by-election was sparked by the death in March of popular Liberal MPP Dominic Agostino, Ralph's brother. The win gives the NDP eight seats in the 103-seat Legislature, enough for official party status.

"The voters of Hamilton East are telling the McGuinty government they don't want any more of those broken promises," Horwath said last night, a jubilant NDP Leader Howard Hampton standing next to her.

The resounding victory returns the working-class riding to the NDP, which held it for more than 40 years before Dominic Agostino won in 1995.

"It was a combination of things — broken promises, disillusionment with the Liberals altogether, both federally and provincially and ... the way that the Liberal candidate was chosen. All of those things were a heady brew," Horwath told reporters.

"People want those (election) promises to be kept, they want to have change for the people."

Hampton said having party status again means "greater capacity to hold the government accountable." The win means $1.3 million in additional funding for legislative staff, researchers and resources for the party.

"This is a tremendous breath of momentum," Hampton said of the NDP victory, predicting that the scenario will be repeated across Ontario when the federal Liberal government calls an election later this month.

Hampton said his party capitalized on the fact that voters "are very angry" at both provincial and federal Liberals.

A gracious Ralph Agostino said last night he tried his best to "honour Dominic's memory."

"You can't be a fighter if you're afraid of losing," he said.

McGuinty, who paid a surprise visit to Agostino's headquarters last night, insisted the Liberals will not be sidetracked from what they were elected to do on Oct. 2.

"Our cause remains very much alive," the Premier said. "We have a mandate on which we still must deliver."

Ontario Liberal party president Deb Matthews played down the impact of the stunning defeat.

"This is an NDP riding," said Matthews, who is MPP for London North Centre. "If the NDP can't win this riding, then they are in serious trouble.

"It's absolutely not in my thinking an anti-government vote, no," Matthews said.

McGuinty called the by-election just three weeks after Dominic Agostino died. The Premier manipulated the nomination process so the late MPP's brother would carry the Liberal flag.

"I don't have any regrets in terms of the process," the Premier said. "The people of Hamilton East have spoken and we respect their decision."

But the move outraged many local Liberals and led to an exodus of traditionally Liberal support toward Horwath.

Sam Merulla, a life-long Liberal and former executive assistant to Dominic Agostino, denounced McGuinty's "cynical" rigging of the process.

Merulla, who serves on city council with Horwath, helped to siphon many votes his colleague's way.

To try to save the seat, the Liberals made funding announcements in Hamilton totalling $650 million. But McGuinty, who dispatched MPPs, ministers and political operatives to help in the by-election, didn't visited Hamilton East during the campaign. The Premier said he was "too busy" to go to Hamilton and, earlier this week, played down the importance of the vote.

That led to taunts from the opposition Tories that the Liberals were scared to put McGuinty out there because he was a political liability due to an expected bad-news budget on Tuesday.
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2004, 03:07:09 am »
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This is the first time since 1990 that the Ontario NDP has gained a seat (unless you count the two-incumbent battles in 1999 caused by the redistribution)... and 63.6% is the highest % of the vote won by the Ontario NDP since 1990...
Hamilton East is once again the safest NDP seat in Ontario.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2004, 03:33:34 am »
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NDP is left? right?
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Quote from: Umengus on July 25, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

against Aubry, Sarkozy will win. Aubry is a very bad candidate for prime time : no charisma, no sympathy, muslim connection, stupid ideas,... and sarkozy is a good candidate...

but against hollande, sarkozy will lose."

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2004, 03:37:00 am »
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NDP is left? right?

Ontario Political parties:

PC=right wing
Liberal=centrist/centre left
NDP=social democratic
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2004, 05:50:59 am »
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Great news!!

Go NDP!
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2004, 10:37:43 pm »
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That sounds like good news, but I don't follow Canadian politics very closely.  How much chance is there the NDP can deny the Liberals a majority & force a coalition?  And will the Liberals coalition w/ the NDP ahead of the Bloc?
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That sounds like good news, but I don't follow Canadian politics very closely.  How much chance is there the NDP can deny the Liberals a majority & force a coalition?  And will the Liberals coalition w/ the NDP ahead of the Bloc?

Well this was a provincial by-election not a federal by-election... but is certain to have an impact federally as the Dippers were already targeting two of the three federal Hamilton seats (Hamilton East-Stoney Creek, and Hamilton Centre) and after this they will have a better chance of winning those... and they might go after Hamilton Mountain as well.
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1) The Liberals are teetering b'tween majority and minority... kinda like 1997...
2) Martin will do all he can to avoid coalition with the BQ... it would be humiliating for him... and the BQ would just use it as an excuse to cause trouble.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2004, 10:48:31 am »
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2004, 05:58:10 am »
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Canada is left isn't it?
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Quote from: Umengus on July 25, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

against Aubry, Sarkozy will win. Aubry is a very bad candidate for prime time : no charisma, no sympathy, muslim connection, stupid ideas,... and sarkozy is a good candidate...

but against hollande, sarkozy will lose."

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Canada is politically much more like Europe than the US. It is economically conservative, but socially it's liberal. The only conservative province is Alberta.

The Canadian Conservatives are like the UK Conservative party if I'm not mistaken. Socially Moderate, Economically Right.
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Canada is politically much more like Europe than the US. It is economically conservative, but socially it's liberal. The only conservative province is Alberta.

The Canadian Conservatives are like the UK Conservative party if I'm not mistaken. Socially Moderate, Economically Right.
But Europe and Canada are much more economically left than the US, yes?  Otherwise, how did they get single-payer health care?  Who would be economically liberal under your definition?
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Left and Right are relative terms... Canada isn't a very ideological country and politics varies a lot from province to province...
For instance, in Nova Scotia even the Tories are economically centre-left.
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Yes, by economically right I meant by European standards. The Canadian Tories model themselves on British Tories do they not?
In any case there is no-way the UK Conservative party is anywhere like as conservative as the Republicans.
They're probably half way between the GOP and Dems.

If our Tories ever proposed privatising health care they would be massacred at the polls!
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Yes, by economically right I meant by European standards. The Canadian Tories model themselves on British Tories do they not?
In any case there is no-way the UK Conservative party is anywhere like as conservative as the Republicans.
They're probably half way between the GOP and Dems.

If our Tories ever proposed privatising health care they would be massacred at the polls!

Most of the CPC does... although there are still a lot of old Reform diehards.
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I'm from Ontario, that victory was very good, a lot of good feelings for the NDP to go around. Hopefully this is the first signs of a NDP Ontario by 2009. The Liberals are cracking in Ontario on both levels of government. I just hope it's the NDP that take up the slack and not Conservatives, our social systems can't take anymore abuse.

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I'm from Ontario, that victory was very good, a lot of good feelings for the NDP to go around. Hopefully this is the first signs of a NDP Ontario by 2009. The Liberals are cracking in Ontario on both levels of government. I just hope it's the NDP that take up the slack and not Conservatives, our social systems can't take anymore abuse.

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The NDP better be ready for government then. Not like 1990 (if ONLY Peterson had called the election a year later...)
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