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Question: Do you agree with Fmr. President Jimmy Carter's pardoning of nearly 10,000 men who evaded the draft during the Vietnam War?
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« on: December 24, 2005, 01:23:13 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2005, 01:25:57 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2005, 01:31:22 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2005, 01:34:22 PM »
Yes. The draft is involuntary servitude. Further our army doesn't need people who don't want to serve in it - they'd only drag it down.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2005, 01:34:35 PM »
Yes. The draft-dogers deserve to be commended for resisting slavery.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2005, 01:37:35 PM »
Yes.  The draft was a terrible idea, and I don't think any less of anyone for dodging it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2005, 01:50:52 PM »
I guess this'll make me pretty unpopular but...

No actually. Don't get me wrong here; I don't support conscription, but I just think that a lot of these people were cowards from soft backgrounds who had the right connections to get out of serving. For everyone one of those kids that dodged the draft, some other kid had to go to war. But no one cares about working class or black kids, so that's fine isn't it?
On the other hand, Conscientious Objectors are brave people. Standing up for something you believe in (and this includes the people that volunteer for the military as well) is something to be admired. Running away fundamentally isn't.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2005, 02:02:56 PM »
Al, that's exactly why I don't commend them for it, but I don't think any less of them for avoiding a pretty fascist program.
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2005, 02:19:22 PM »
yes.

i admire their courage.

half-ass dodgers like bill clinton were pretty horrible, however.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2005, 02:24:54 PM »
They should've been forced into an indentured servitude for twice the average length of service as punsihment.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2005, 02:37:59 PM »
Yes, I don't see anything wrong with what they did.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2005, 03:33:58 PM »
No, I think it was a mistake.  It showed disrespect to all who served in a war they were not allowed to win.

I preferred President Ford's earned amnesty program.  Carter should have stuck with that, and if they didn't want to come back under that program, good riddance.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2005, 04:52:35 PM »
Quote from: dazzleman on December 24, 2005, 03:33:58 PM
No, I think it was a mistake.  It showed disrespect to all who served in a war they were not allowed to win.

They were beaten by the Vietnamese, dazzleman.  Lets cool it with the self-serving excuses and give credit where credit is due.
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2005, 05:07:47 PM »
No. I oppose the draft, and consider it to be a very bad thing for the state to do in any but the direst circumstances, but I still think that there should be some sort of punishment for this law-breaking. Perhaps an earned amnesty program via community service would be a good idea.
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2005, 05:14:53 PM »
Yes.
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2005, 05:19:22 PM »
Quote from: SE Magistrate John Dibble on December 24, 2005, 01:34:22 PM
Yes. The draft is involuntary servitude. Further our army doesn't need people who don't want to serve in it - they'd only drag it down.

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2005, 06:27:00 PM »
« Edited: December 24, 2005, 06:28:35 PM by Frodo »
No -why reward these cowards for shirking military service and disobeying the law?  I don't give a damn how unpopular the war was or whether you think the draft was immoral -if you were called up under the draft, it was your duty as an American citizen to serve your country, no matter what you thought of either the war in Vietnam or the draft.  And there were legal avenues to avoid being sent over -namely by declaring yourself a conscientious objector. 
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2005, 06:34:26 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on December 24, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
No -why reward these cowards for shirking military service and disobeying the law?
Certain oppressive laws deserve to be disobeyed. I would argue that it is justified to resist slavery, even if the government says otherwise. 

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One cannot simply declare oneself a conscientious objector; the procedure is quite elaborate and difficult (or else anyone could just claim to be a conscientious objector).
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2005, 07:20:56 PM »
« Edited: December 24, 2005, 07:26:50 PM by Frodo »
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Quote from: Frodo on December 24, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
No -why reward these cowards for shirking military service and disobeying the law?
Certain oppressive laws deserve to be disobeyed. I would argue that it is justified to resist slavery, even if the government says otherwise.

It is heart-warming to have you describe even those conscripts who fought in the Second World War as 'slaves'.  Be sure to tell them (and their families) that at your nearest VFW.  Roll Eyes

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One cannot simply declare oneself a conscientious objector; the procedure is quite elaborate and difficult (or else anyone could just claim to be a conscientious objector).
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I am aware of that.  It is no excuse, however, to simply disobey the law because you found it 'too hard' to become a conscientious objector. 
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2005, 07:30:57 PM »
Quote from: Frodo on December 24, 2005, 07:20:56 PM
It is heart-warming to have you describe even those conscripts who fought in the Second World War as 'slaves'.  Be sure to tell them (and their families) that at your nearest VFW.  Roll Eyes
How else would you describe someone who is forced to work against his will? In my opinion, being forced to work for the government constitutes constitutes being enslaved just as much as being forced to work for a private individual.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2005, 07:49:15 PM »
Some of us aren't absolutists.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2005, 07:50:45 PM »
I think that flouting the law became so widespread that it was unenforceable.
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2005, 07:51:36 PM »
No of course not.
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2005, 09:21:08 PM »
Yes, though I would have served and we should keep the draft in place for emergencies.
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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2005, 12:52:30 PM »
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