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« on: May 16, 2004, 01:34:54 am »
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Note, this has nothing to do with what to do with illegal or legal immigrants currently in the country.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2004, 01:37:10 am »
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I voted to open the border and eliminate the minimum wage - I would love to have lots of servants!  
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2004, 01:40:26 am »
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I'm inclined to the lowering the minimum wage option.  Look what immigration did for us after the Civil War until we started implementing quotas.  It was fine when we said that prostitutes and felons couldn't come here, but not when we said Italians and Southeast Europeans couldn't.

The Irish all eventually worked their position up too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2004, 01:54:30 am »
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I voted for "increase immigration overall".
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2004, 07:54:01 am »
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2004, 09:28:52 am »
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I think we should have an open border policy with the other first world English-speaking nations(UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). They would integrate into our society at a much faster pace, and we would all benefit. Other than that, I say keep immigration as is.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2004, 11:20:03 am »
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And are you going to tell us what you would do?
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2004, 11:21:34 am »
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I think we should have an open border policy with the other first world English-speaking nations(UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). They would integrate into our society at a much faster pace, and we would all benefit. Other than that, I say keep immigration as is.

Many countries can speak better English than the average American, such as the Netherlands and Sweden.  I'd be tempted to do this with all of the first-world countries if I were to implement a plan like this.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2004, 01:39:13 pm »
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How much would the wall cost?
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004, 01:51:58 pm »
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Options 1, 2, or 3, or I would settle for option 4.

Actaully, it would be best if we could combine options 1 and 2 to make 1.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2004, 02:12:45 pm »
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How much would the wall cost?

Well, a ten foot concrete wall from Texas to Sout hern California...I'm not sure.  I believe this is Pat Buchanon's position.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2004, 02:20:59 pm »
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Pat B. would probably want the low-cost labor of illegal immigrants to help build it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2004, 02:36:44 pm »
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Option 7.

We should eliminate the minimum wage entirely, not just for immigrants.  We should also have the open border, if they want to do the work and let me sit on my ass I have no problems with them.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2004, 02:51:22 pm »
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I am extremely aggrivated and upset with Bush's illegal immigrant policy, as are a lot of people. It's not enough to sway my vote... yet, but I am upset about it. If the border gets anymore open, you probably won't see another 9/11, but you will see an 8/13, 3/9, 10/19, 5/25, 12/24, 1/1, and God forbid, a 7/4.

Wasn't Gray Davis run out of office in Cali in part because of an illegal immigrant policy - giving or wanting to give driver's licenses, etc. to illegals? Another issue where there seems to be little difference between Dems and GOP.

And I'm not for eliminating the minimum wage. With inflation getting out of control again, we'd be a third world country in a few months if we eliminated minimum wage laws. Besides, I don't like the idea the eliminating the middle class - that's not something we want in this country. We want people to be part of the establishment - they're less likely to vote for crazies that way.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 03:45:28 pm »
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Considering peopel from germany might soon immigrate to india because they are programmers.. get those borders open, we migth need them soon enough Wink
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 05:21:08 pm »
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HEY, I plan to live a little longer than 50 more years!!!! Wink
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2004, 06:00:39 pm »
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I voted for "increase immigration overall".
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2004, 06:04:09 pm »
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 I say reduce immigration, but my main option would be is to arrest those who hire illegal immigrants, size their assets of their entire family and throw them in prison. What I would do is go to arrest those who manage meat packing plants, own homebuilding companies and other retail managers and arrest them.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2004, 06:07:13 pm »
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I intentionally didn't deal with a plan to deal with illegals who are already here, because it's completely seperate from what to do with immigration quotas and whatnot.

I can support building a wall and deporting all illegals or support decreasing immigration overall and deporting all illegals etc.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2004, 07:10:08 pm »
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For legal immigration I suggest that adult applicants be required to take and sucessfully complete a G.E.D. exam in American English as a requirement to be considered for legal immigration.

I would then suggest we take the top scorers (presuming no cheating) in a number not to exceed one per cent of the population of the United States per annum.  We should also consider running background checks to try to weed out terrorists.

For illegal immigration, build a wall.  Stop it cold.  
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2004, 07:14:40 pm »
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Good point, perhaps I should have seperated the poll further to just include legal or illegal immigration.

Does your legal immigration plan significantly decrase the current immigration quotas?
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2004, 07:30:57 pm »
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I believe it is a slight increase in legal immigration quotas and a drastic decrease in illegal immigation, hence a massive decrease in total immigration.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2004, 08:51:18 pm »
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For legal immigration I suggest that adult applicants be required to take and sucessfully complete a G.E.D. exam in American English as a requirement to be considered for legal immigration.

I would then suggest we take the top scorers (presuming no cheating) in a number not to exceed one per cent of the population of the United States per annum.  We should also consider running background checks to try to weed out terrorists.

For illegal immigration, build a wall.  Stop it cold.  

I think that we should have a provisional citizenship for native born citizens and then award full citizenship based on that same exam upon their majority.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2004, 08:59:32 pm »
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It would never fly!

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2004, 09:06:58 pm »
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You never know, enough stupid people vote for the GOP when their interests would be better served by the Dems.  A savy politician could probably get this measure through, although it could be greased by attaching it to the consitutional amendment that contains the repeal of amendment 16.
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