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KEmperor
Junior Chimp
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« on: May 18, 2004, 12:49:34 AM »

Shoot 'em on sight as they are crossing the border.

you mean illegals right?

Certainly. Or legalize slavery for illegals. Either way it's a win win situation.

You know, technically slavery for illegals isn't against any law.  Amendment 14 Section 1 specifically says that the protections guarantied by the constitution are only guarantied to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States".  Amendment 13 is one such protection and since illegals are not "born or naturalized in the United States", they are not protected from "involuntary servitude".

Similarly, foeti are not yet "born or naturalized in the united states" and therefore are not guarantied "the rights to life, liberty and property".  Thus from a strict-constructionist viewpoint, abortion bans are unconstitutional as they extend rights not guarantied by the constitution, they are a power that was "not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States," and as such "are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".  The constitution requires the government to preotect the rights of those "born or naturalized" while the protection of all other persons is "reserved to the states".

Well, you are wrong there.  The 13th amendment doesn't say people can't be enslaved, it says that slavery shall not exist in the United States.  And US citizens are bound by that, meaning that they cannot institute a system of slavery in the United States.
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KEmperor
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 01:20:12 AM »
« Edited: May 18, 2004, 01:20:49 AM by KEmperor »

What if a non-citizen had a slave who was also a non-citizen?

I would assume the same logic would apply.  Foreign nationals are obligated to observe the laws of their host countries.
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KEmperor
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,454
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2004, 05:47:21 PM »

There is no reason why the US should refuse immigrants. It is after all a nation of immigrants. The same goes for Canada, Australia and NZ. Immigration in Europe is more contentious. It's heavily populated already and has been monocultural for centuries. This makes it harder for the resident population and the immigrants to integrate.

That's quite a double standard there.
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