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« on: January 05, 2006, 12:57:46 PM »

The die is cast
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 01:03:55 PM »

So.. who do you think are likely candidates?

I wonder if any 12 year-olds will enter the race.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 01:37:04 PM »

Mark Oaten will not be standing as a candidate, which is welcome news to me!
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 01:50:09 PM »

Interesting that Oaten in't running; now is this to back up Kennedy (I'd say that's unlikely) or to back up some other Rightwinger? Like Ming the Merciless?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 02:45:37 PM »

Ming the Merciless has also announced that he won't run
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2006, 02:54:17 PM »

Ming the Merciless has also announced that he won't run

I wonder if this is going to be a 'put up or shut up' leadership election aka Major 1995 with only one token candidate up against Kennedy.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2006, 03:12:42 PM »

I wonder if this is going to be a 'put up or shut up' leadership election aka Major 1995 with only one token candidate up against Kennedy.

Perhaps... but... the thing is neither Oaten or Campbell signed the letter that (basically) called for Kennedy to resign. Neither did Slippery Hughes. Perhaps the media have been looking for plotters in the wrong places?
LibDem rules mean that a candidate has to be backed by 10% of M.P's before they can get into the election, btw.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2006, 03:40:54 PM »

Hughes has said he hasn't made his mind up yet
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2006, 03:48:01 PM »

Hughes has said he hasn't made his mind up yet

Usually a sign that means 'yes' Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2006, 03:57:35 PM »



Hughes has said he hasn't made his mind up yet


Usually a sign that means 'yes' Tongue


What I was thinking, if a Laws or Clegg or Huhne runs I think Hughes will run... he may run on his own but i think he'd like someone else to break cover first... Chris Huhne signed the letter i think it might well be him to run first. 

My Dearest hope is that Sarah "the hamster" Teather, who signed the letter, will run :Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2006, 03:59:22 PM »

Ben, do you have a list of the people who signed the letter? Or who are rumoured to have signed it?
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2006, 04:30:12 PM »


Ben, do you have a list of the people who signed the letter? Or who are rumoured to have signed it?


Just what was mentioned on CH4 News – got an email – Clegg, Huhne, Cable, Davey and Teather where all named as having signed it.     
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2006, 11:19:02 PM »

Those Kennedys sure do like a drink.  Or several.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2006, 05:43:31 AM »

Interestingly some are now demanding that Kennedy faces a vote of no-confidence next week (ie; before a leadership election)... including the leader of the LibDems in the European Parliament, Chris "Legalise Crack" Davies.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2006, 07:08:43 AM »

Possibly the worst of all possible scenarios for the challengers to be faced with IMO.

A leadership election amongst the party's membership is the vote that he is most likely to survive, and he has obviously worked this out.

If he had called a vote of confidence amongst the MPs, he would almost certainly have lost (over a sixth of his MPs have signed a letter to that effect already), and he would probably lose a vote of confidence amongst the members as well.

However, by calling a leadership election, he has forced his opponents to put their names forward in the light of day, and just as Major discovered in 1995, this usually works in quietening them for a little while. If Hughes, Campbell, et al have any sense they will arrange that no opponent is put up against him whatsoever. Then we have a situation where he is automatically returned and he cannot claim a renewed mandate and so they can continue to push for a no confidence vote.

Essentially they are all scared blind of "Heseltine syndrome" - He who wields the knife shall never wear the crown. They want rid of him, but in a way that leaves as little blood on people's hands as possible.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2006, 07:14:38 AM »

Apparently Nick Harvey (Devon North) is going to table a motion of no-confidence on wednesday.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2006, 07:24:08 AM »

Yeah, but there's absolutely no provision in the party rules for such a motion, which makes that entire option problematic at best, unless it is Kennedy himself that calls the vote.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2006, 07:52:43 AM »

Cable is going to hand Kennedy the letter wi'thenames on it. He's been making some not-so-very-veiled threats as well (the position of frontbenchers like him "would have to be thought through...depending on what happens over the next few days").

Apparently these are the names on the letter:

Vince Cable, David Laws, Chris Huhne, Sarah Teather, Sandra Gidley, Andrew George, Ed Davey, Norman Baker, John Thurso, Norman Lamb and Michael Moore
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2006, 07:53:10 AM »

Yeah, but there's absolutely no provision in the party rules for such a motion, which makes that entire option problematic at best, unless it is Kennedy himself that calls the vote.

How crazy are the LibDem leadership rules, exactly?
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2006, 09:21:22 AM »

George has threatend to resign on monday unless Kennedy quits before then.
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2006, 09:33:26 AM »

Yeah, but there's absolutely no provision in the party rules for such a motion, which makes that entire option problematic at best, unless it is Kennedy himself that calls the vote.

How crazy are the LibDem leadership rules, exactly?

Basically the only way to forcibly remove the leader short of assaination is to challenge him in the annual leadership election thing - there is no "No confidence" motion or mid-year challenge provision in the rules. The next regular one is scheduled for June, so he could theoretically hold on that long if it were his wish, though it would be politically impossible.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2006, 09:47:37 AM »

George has threatend to resign on monday unless Kennedy quits before then.
George W Bush? Hold on, Charlie, you know we love you! Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2006, 09:50:38 AM »

Norman Lamb has just said the same as George
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2006, 12:33:55 PM »

I'm a Lib Dem (and am writing this about 13 mins prior to a statement by 20 Lib Dem MP's who have threatened to resign en mass unless Charles stands down) and I have to say that if Charles does / forced to stand down then I will be sending my Lib Dem membership card back to London and joining a party that advocates Lib Dem policy instead namely the Social Democratic Party (who still exist in the south of Wales)
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2006, 12:37:07 PM »

namely the Social Democratic Party (who still exist in the south of Wales)

Don't they still have a couple of councillers somewhere down there? I know they do in Bridlington (ER, Yorks).
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