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« Reply #6850 on: October 01, 2011, 06:40:50 pm »
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Republicans didn't give up when they lost everything and were reduced to 40 Senate seats. They revamped their messaging and priorities to an extent (people here are more informed and not as easily duped). I certainly understand why libertarians would prefer a party that ends unnecessary wars and overturns federal smoking bans to a party that supports those policies, wants to outlaw abortion and medical marijuana and so on and so forth.
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« Reply #6851 on: October 01, 2011, 06:43:16 pm »
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I am appreciative of the support and the welcome, Napoleon and Kalwejt. Smiley

The JCP didn't "actively recruit" anyone, Teddy. Dallasfan and a significant chunk of what remains of the former Populares (and the Populares-like) have been de-facto JCP voters for some time now.

Not necessarily. Yeah, I have voted for a few JCPers, but what of it? There isn't a very great sample size. I voted for Kalwejt, but let's not forget Kalwejt has been my friend since I joined this forum. I worked with him in the Northeast Assembly, and collaborate on a (quite) frequent basis on the What-if board.
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« Reply #6852 on: October 01, 2011, 06:45:04 pm »
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« Reply #6853 on: October 01, 2011, 06:47:15 pm »
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I would argue that tensions are high lately because this "game" in it's current state is the equivalent of a Monopoly board where one player has hotels on three entire sides of the board leaving the other side perpetually bankrupt, treasuring nothing but Baltic Avenue and Mediterranean. Except this a monopoly game that never ends.

That's life. There's going to be times when you're the minority. But this is a game for Pete's sake. I know it's not fair, but that's how it goes. When you're playing Monopoly and losing, you can do 1 of 3 things: either say "oh well, that's the game. This guy's really good anyway." or say "Whatever, I quit. You win. Bye."

And that's exactly what's happening to a lot of people. (Hell, I just resigned yesterday. You don't need to tell me that.) The difference is, this isn't a board game. We can't all just walk away and start a new game later. This is the type of game that has to be maintained and kept interesting over time.

Republicans didn't give up when they lost everything and were reduced to 40 Senate seats. They revamped their messaging and priorities to an extent (people here are more informed and not as easily duped). I certainly understand why libertarians would prefer a party that ends unnecessary wars and overturns federal smoking bans to a party that supports those policies, wants to outlaw abortion and medical marijuana and so on and so forth.

This isn't the real world, and we don't have "swing voters." The right has a structural deficit and the left has a committed voting population that will never ever ever ever deviate ever. That sort of state of affairs cannot be changed, at least, not for the immediate future, by "messaging." Hell, if the last at-large Senate election proved anything it's that credentials mean absolutely nothing, since you guys would sooner elect an inanimate object than anyone outside of your clique.
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« Reply #6854 on: October 01, 2011, 06:50:03 pm »
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Hell, if the last at-large Senate election proved anything it's that credentials mean absolutely nothing, since you guys would sooner elect an inanimate object than anyone outside of your clique.

You think my non-leftist voter would vote for Mr. Generic Last Minute JCP Candidate?

Dude, I'm not afraid to show my credidentials. In fact, I'm pretty confident about them/
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« Reply #6855 on: October 01, 2011, 06:50:29 pm »
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I joined this game when Tmthforu RowanBrandon and Ghostwhite were both elected despite my votes. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Your whole party has taken to whining about being sure to lose rather than trying to win. For example, none of your candidates have ever attempted to get my support. Jbrase won. You guys choose not to win.
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« Reply #6856 on: October 01, 2011, 06:52:24 pm »
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I joined this game when Tmthforu RowanBrandon and Ghostwhite were both elected despite my votes. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Your whole party has taken to whining about being sure to lose rather than trying to win. For example, none of your candidates have ever attempted to get my support.

Would you ever vote for an RPP candidate above a JCP candidate? Ever? Be serious now.

And please stop treating me as if I'm some dyed-in-the-wool RPPer. It's not a permanent gig. At least I hope.
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« Reply #6857 on: October 01, 2011, 06:53:42 pm »
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I've put many people ahead of JCP candidates in my time here.
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« Reply #6858 on: October 01, 2011, 06:54:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

I can show you my credentials and my resume. And, with all respect to my opponent, I'm very confident about confronting my resume with his.
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« Reply #6859 on: October 01, 2011, 06:59:04 pm »
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You know, I'm sorry for Dallas. He made a decision regarding his registration. A decision that surprised me too (and I'm friend with him basically since he came here). Yes, I was surprised, but I'm definitively not surprised by the right's desperate attempts to use his personal decision as a tool in throwing-crap game. I thought you know him better to now spread this s**t.

Please refrain from lumping us all together.  Thanks Wink

Banning medical marijuana came from a far right party member.  It by no means represents myself, and several others like me.  Why does everyone insist on grouping the left and right as if we all somehow have the same opinion.  Not sure why I bother trying to stay above party politics, when it's just assumed I'm going to vote this way or that, or do this or that.  No wonder we're jumping down each others throats all the time.  

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« Reply #6860 on: October 01, 2011, 07:01:32 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?
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« Reply #6861 on: October 01, 2011, 07:01:47 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
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« Reply #6862 on: October 01, 2011, 07:04:11 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.

I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?
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« Reply #6863 on: October 01, 2011, 07:04:50 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?

I don't know how you work, but I don't tell anyone what to do.  It's not my job to tame extremists that I have no power over, except when the voting booths open.  
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« Reply #6864 on: October 01, 2011, 07:05:27 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.
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« Reply #6865 on: October 01, 2011, 07:06:33 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?

I don't know how you work, but I don't tell anyone what to do.  It's not my job to tame extremists that I have no power over, except when the voting booths open.  

How I work? I've never had to deal with extremists, so...
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« Reply #6866 on: October 01, 2011, 07:07:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.

Like, three years ago.
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« Reply #6867 on: October 01, 2011, 07:09:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.

Like, three years ago.

Ahhhhhh but those are still credentials, no?
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« Reply #6868 on: October 01, 2011, 07:11:46 pm »
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The JCP is still a progressive party. We were a progressive party when we had moderates like Bullmoose joining and representing us in the Senate, and we're still a progressive party now (Dallas just told me he has no plans to run for office, FTR). I'm sure these people each have their own unique reasons for joining a party that may not be the most ideologically in sync with them, just as you had your reasons for joining the RPP, Marokai.

I'm not going to start kicking out people in the name of purity. You're always welcome to rejoin if you want to, Marokai.
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« Reply #6869 on: October 01, 2011, 07:12:51 pm »
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More hypocrisy, Marokai, fun!

You voted for Texasgurl recently, remember? And what were her credentials beside being someone a few years ago? Worse, she was elected to IDS Assembly and did not show up to work.

But of course, since she wasn't a JCP candidate that's fine with you.
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« Reply #6870 on: October 01, 2011, 07:19:51 pm »
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BRTD had no credentials to be elected, other than a body to fill a spot.  This is similiar to officepark being a body to fill a spot for the party.  Let's be honest, the right and left both do it.  Neither party corners the market on such tactics, so let NONE of us pretend they do.

Kal has great credentials.  I consider him to be a nice guy, and if elected, will do fine, as he has previously.  I already told Junkie I'd support him before Kal ran, and I also think Junkie is a great candidate, whether he was in the RPP or not.  

Napoleon, each party has extremists, they just reside on different sides of the spectrum.  While the one party member you speak of shares views I find repulsive, personally, that doesn't give me the right to "tame" him.  You of all people, who told me directly that you don't feel you should "tell people which way to vote" should understand this.  It's not about you or I telling someone what to do, it's about not voting for them if another candidate has more similarities to yourself.

About dallasfan/Jake;  Who cares?  Why are we treating the POP like they were the left-arm of the RPP?  They never were, and never claimed to be.  Dallasfan has no reason to purposefully insult the RPP by joining the JCP, so he obviously thinks it will best fit himself.  By harassing people who join other parties, we turn them off from our own.
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« Reply #6871 on: October 01, 2011, 07:25:05 pm »
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By tame, I didn't mean in the sense of taming an animal, or telling people how to vote on legislation or what to propose, I simply meant to elect more moderate candidates to tame the extreme wing of the party. It appears there was a misunderstanding.
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« Reply #6872 on: October 01, 2011, 07:25:32 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?
2 libertarians out of over 40 members is super significant. It is like we aren't even a left wing party anymore. And people who are progressive would be better off in a party that tries to ban medical marijuana.

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…and yes, there are some elements of the RPP that are actually conservative as much as that is hated here in Atlasia. You can stick in a few snide insults toward the forum’s conservatives here and there online with the guise that it is extreme to propose a law similar to the one in the country that poster actually lives, but in reality, Napoleon, it isn’t and a large number of people have that view. The RPP is a party with no ideology as it has to be because of the leftist tilt of the Atlas compared with real life. We have conservatives, moderates, libertarians and even a few liberals. Not everyone in the RPP believes that recreational use of marijuana should be illegal, but you have to at least admit it’s a more worthwhile discussion than the Dangerous Dogs Bill or the Grade Weighting Amendment or half the other stupid things the Mideast Assembly has written in past sessions. Of course you will always vehemently disagree with pretty much every opinion a social conservative will have, but please be a little respectful.

But, the real issue is that we don’t actually live in Atlasia so our views are constructed elsewhere and brought here. No amount of framing or debate within the game is actually about to change that. We don’t live to watch the real effects of our bills and no one’s mind is about to be changed on divisive issued because of some online fantasy election game. No one cares if their taxes get raised here and that’s the mark of a true departure from real life Wink. The JCP will continue to be a powerhouse as long as there are more liberals than conservatives in the game. This election is again a mark of that divide. Is the RPP whining tonight? Yes, of course. People get competitive in games and get disappointed when they lose. In real life, this is when we all would go out bowling or something to forget about the fight and move on. Though, it’s difficult to have a fun night on a political forum doing something else, so we can’t go bowling Sad
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« Reply #6873 on: October 01, 2011, 07:38:45 pm »
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Cincinnati's is the one who labeled you guys far-right, not I. Don't attack me. I did endorse ZuWo for reelection and stand by that. It is refreshing to see someone on the right try to enact policies similar to how I have. I personally can't stand the wishy washy moderate heroism many on the right resort to and people like Shua or Jbrase that I don't always agree with earn my respect because they actually do something in office.

Anyways I'm not trying to insult anyone but whining has never been endearing to me no matter the beliefs of the whiner so I've only been suggesting some internal reflection rather than blaming it on the game or someone else. I would compare this to post-Watergate Republicans. An administration sunk in scandal, the left rebounds. Conflict between conservatives and moderates over the direction of the party ensues. But eventually you have to stand for something other than trying to be everything to everyone...
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« Reply #6874 on: October 01, 2011, 07:42:30 pm »
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I'd like to welcome all the new members who just registered in the last 4 pages . . . er, nevermind.
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