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« Reply #6850 on: October 01, 2011, 06:22:02 pm »
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The JCP didn't "actively recruit" anyone, Teddy. Dallasfan and a significant chunk of what remains of the former Populares (and the Populares-like) have been de-facto JCP voters for some time now.

I just hope the desperate left-wingers who scurried back to the JCP rather pitifully don't mind their party having a significant left-libertarian/libertarian faction now. So long and sweet dreams to progressive economics.

Said a leftist who joined right-wing party for sole purpose of staying politically alive after screwing up UDL experiment royally.

Your moral credit to talk about this is astounding, Marokai.

My party's Presidential nominee is more left-wing than some of your new voters, dude.

Your point?

For your info, I neither asked not made any political promise to Dallas or Jbrase in exchance for voting for me. Instead, I was pretty surpised seeing Jbrase voting for me over Junkie.

And so what? Both are adult folks who can make their own decisions.
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« Reply #6851 on: October 01, 2011, 06:28:14 pm »
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This entire argument is really just pathetic.

Ya'll get too caught up in the game and are at each other's throats all the f**king time. We're in an argument because people changed their registration. We're flinging sh*t at each other because of people changing their party identity in a game. Why is it such a big deal? I wouldn't care if someone changed their registration. "Oh but *insert person here* has been a member of *insert party here* forever, why's he joining *insert party here* now?!" Like it actually matters. You all need to stop and just chill out.

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« Reply #6852 on: October 01, 2011, 06:32:18 pm »
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I would argue that tensions are high lately because this "game" in it's current state is the equivalent of a Monopoly board where one player has hotels on three entire sides of the board leaving the other side perpetually bankrupt, treasuring nothing but Baltic Avenue and Mediterranean. Except this a monopoly game that never ends.
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« Reply #6853 on: October 01, 2011, 06:36:50 pm »
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I would argue that tensions are high lately because this "game" in it's current state is the equivalent of a Monopoly board where one player has hotels on three entire sides of the board leaving the other side perpetually bankrupt, treasuring nothing but Baltic Avenue and Mediterranean. Except this a monopoly game that never ends.

That's life. There's going to be times when you're the minority. But this is a game for Pete's sake. I know it's not fair, but that's how it goes. When you're playing Monopoly and losing, you can do 1 of 3 things: either say "oh well, that's the game. This guy's really good anyway." or say "Whatever, I quit. You win. Bye." or say "YOU'RE CHEATING!1ONE!1ONE!!!!!" Obviously the first and second options are the most mature in my opinion, but unfortunately, people have chosen option three as their position.
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« Reply #6854 on: October 01, 2011, 06:40:50 pm »
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Republicans didn't give up when they lost everything and were reduced to 40 Senate seats. They revamped their messaging and priorities to an extent (people here are more informed and not as easily duped). I certainly understand why libertarians would prefer a party that ends unnecessary wars and overturns federal smoking bans to a party that supports those policies, wants to outlaw abortion and medical marijuana and so on and so forth.
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« Reply #6855 on: October 01, 2011, 06:43:16 pm »
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I am appreciative of the support and the welcome, Napoleon and Kalwejt. Smiley

The JCP didn't "actively recruit" anyone, Teddy. Dallasfan and a significant chunk of what remains of the former Populares (and the Populares-like) have been de-facto JCP voters for some time now.

Not necessarily. Yeah, I have voted for a few JCPers, but what of it? There isn't a very great sample size. I voted for Kalwejt, but let's not forget Kalwejt has been my friend since I joined this forum. I worked with him in the Northeast Assembly, and collaborate on a (quite) frequent basis on the What-if board.
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« Reply #6856 on: October 01, 2011, 06:45:04 pm »
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Join the EAJ-PNV!
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« Reply #6857 on: October 01, 2011, 06:47:15 pm »
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I would argue that tensions are high lately because this "game" in it's current state is the equivalent of a Monopoly board where one player has hotels on three entire sides of the board leaving the other side perpetually bankrupt, treasuring nothing but Baltic Avenue and Mediterranean. Except this a monopoly game that never ends.

That's life. There's going to be times when you're the minority. But this is a game for Pete's sake. I know it's not fair, but that's how it goes. When you're playing Monopoly and losing, you can do 1 of 3 things: either say "oh well, that's the game. This guy's really good anyway." or say "Whatever, I quit. You win. Bye."

And that's exactly what's happening to a lot of people. (Hell, I just resigned yesterday. You don't need to tell me that.) The difference is, this isn't a board game. We can't all just walk away and start a new game later. This is the type of game that has to be maintained and kept interesting over time.

Republicans didn't give up when they lost everything and were reduced to 40 Senate seats. They revamped their messaging and priorities to an extent (people here are more informed and not as easily duped). I certainly understand why libertarians would prefer a party that ends unnecessary wars and overturns federal smoking bans to a party that supports those policies, wants to outlaw abortion and medical marijuana and so on and so forth.

This isn't the real world, and we don't have "swing voters." The right has a structural deficit and the left has a committed voting population that will never ever ever ever deviate ever. That sort of state of affairs cannot be changed, at least, not for the immediate future, by "messaging." Hell, if the last at-large Senate election proved anything it's that credentials mean absolutely nothing, since you guys would sooner elect an inanimate object than anyone outside of your clique.
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« Reply #6858 on: October 01, 2011, 06:50:03 pm »
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Hell, if the last at-large Senate election proved anything it's that credentials mean absolutely nothing, since you guys would sooner elect an inanimate object than anyone outside of your clique.

You think my non-leftist voter would vote for Mr. Generic Last Minute JCP Candidate?

Dude, I'm not afraid to show my credidentials. In fact, I'm pretty confident about them/
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« Reply #6859 on: October 01, 2011, 06:50:29 pm »
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I joined this game when Tmthforu RowanBrandon and Ghostwhite were both elected despite my votes. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Your whole party has taken to whining about being sure to lose rather than trying to win. For example, none of your candidates have ever attempted to get my support. Jbrase won. You guys choose not to win.
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Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.


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« Reply #6860 on: October 01, 2011, 06:52:24 pm »
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I joined this game when Tmthforu RowanBrandon and Ghostwhite were both elected despite my votes. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Your whole party has taken to whining about being sure to lose rather than trying to win. For example, none of your candidates have ever attempted to get my support.

Would you ever vote for an RPP candidate above a JCP candidate? Ever? Be serious now.

And please stop treating me as if I'm some dyed-in-the-wool RPPer. It's not a permanent gig. At least I hope.
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« Reply #6861 on: October 01, 2011, 06:53:42 pm »
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I've put many people ahead of JCP candidates in my time here.
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Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.


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« Reply #6862 on: October 01, 2011, 06:54:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

I can show you my credentials and my resume. And, with all respect to my opponent, I'm very confident about confronting my resume with his.
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« Reply #6863 on: October 01, 2011, 06:59:04 pm »
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You know, I'm sorry for Dallas. He made a decision regarding his registration. A decision that surprised me too (and I'm friend with him basically since he came here). Yes, I was surprised, but I'm definitively not surprised by the right's desperate attempts to use his personal decision as a tool in throwing-crap game. I thought you know him better to now spread this s**t.

Please refrain from lumping us all together.  Thanks Wink

Banning medical marijuana came from a far right party member.  It by no means represents myself, and several others like me.  Why does everyone insist on grouping the left and right as if we all somehow have the same opinion.  Not sure why I bother trying to stay above party politics, when it's just assumed I'm going to vote this way or that, or do this or that.  No wonder we're jumping down each others throats all the time.  

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« Reply #6864 on: October 01, 2011, 07:01:32 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?
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« Reply #6865 on: October 01, 2011, 07:01:47 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
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« Reply #6866 on: October 01, 2011, 07:04:11 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.

I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?
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« Reply #6867 on: October 01, 2011, 07:04:50 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?

I don't know how you work, but I don't tell anyone what to do.  It's not my job to tame extremists that I have no power over, except when the voting booths open.  
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« Reply #6868 on: October 01, 2011, 07:05:27 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.
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« Reply #6869 on: October 01, 2011, 07:06:33 pm »
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Perhaps try to tame the extremists then?

I don't know how you work, but I don't tell anyone what to do.  It's not my job to tame extremists that I have no power over, except when the voting booths open.  

How I work? I've never had to deal with extremists, so...
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« Reply #6870 on: October 01, 2011, 07:07:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.

Like, three years ago.
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« Reply #6871 on: October 01, 2011, 07:09:30 pm »
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Again, since Marokai obviously is accusing JCP of running candidates with no credentials without specifying.

You have credentials. BRTD did not.
I honestly don't want to take sides on this (because both sides are being children in all honesty) but I still don't understand how or why BRTD was elected. I don't remember him ever participating in the game before my banning, but my memory occasionally slips on me. So can someone refresh me on how BRTD got elected?

He was a former Senator.

Like, three years ago.

Ahhhhhh but those are still credentials, no?
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« Reply #6872 on: October 01, 2011, 07:11:46 pm »
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The JCP is still a progressive party. We were a progressive party when we had moderates like Bullmoose joining and representing us in the Senate, and we're still a progressive party now (Dallas just told me he has no plans to run for office, FTR). I'm sure these people each have their own unique reasons for joining a party that may not be the most ideologically in sync with them, just as you had your reasons for joining the RPP, Marokai.

I'm not going to start kicking out people in the name of purity. You're always welcome to rejoin if you want to, Marokai.
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« Reply #6873 on: October 01, 2011, 07:12:51 pm »
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More hypocrisy, Marokai, fun!

You voted for Texasgurl recently, remember? And what were her credentials beside being someone a few years ago? Worse, she was elected to IDS Assembly and did not show up to work.

But of course, since she wasn't a JCP candidate that's fine with you.
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« Reply #6874 on: October 01, 2011, 07:19:51 pm »
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BRTD had no credentials to be elected, other than a body to fill a spot.  This is similiar to officepark being a body to fill a spot for the party.  Let's be honest, the right and left both do it.  Neither party corners the market on such tactics, so let NONE of us pretend they do.

Kal has great credentials.  I consider him to be a nice guy, and if elected, will do fine, as he has previously.  I already told Junkie I'd support him before Kal ran, and I also think Junkie is a great candidate, whether he was in the RPP or not.  

Napoleon, each party has extremists, they just reside on different sides of the spectrum.  While the one party member you speak of shares views I find repulsive, personally, that doesn't give me the right to "tame" him.  You of all people, who told me directly that you don't feel you should "tell people which way to vote" should understand this.  It's not about you or I telling someone what to do, it's about not voting for them if another candidate has more similarities to yourself.

About dallasfan/Jake;  Who cares?  Why are we treating the POP like they were the left-arm of the RPP?  They never were, and never claimed to be.  Dallasfan has no reason to purposefully insult the RPP by joining the JCP, so he obviously thinks it will best fit himself.  By harassing people who join other parties, we turn them off from our own.
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