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[President Marokai]

Do you deny anything I just said? Or are you going to just continue trying to desperately shift this into a personal argument so you can try to cast this aside as "Marokai running around with a hatchet again"? Do you know how old that tactic is and how many people your senior have tried it? The issue remains, and undefended.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Napoleon, my position here is very simple and based on something perfectly logical, and I'll walk you through it:

We were stuck in a two party system because the parties became too big.

Why did they become too big? Because people valued votes over sticking to any sort of ideology. Thus, they grew more and more bloated and inconsistent ideologically.

What was the proposal to solve that problem for? The caucus system, by design, was meant to encourage more ideological thinking. Caucuses were meant to be designed around individual philosophies or individual issues.

However, that doesn't solve the problem entirely, so Bgwah proposes dissolution. Why? Again, the parties were too big. Why were they too big? Again, because they became super-big-tent parties that were ideologically unrecognizable as anything.

So why would dissolution solve that? Because it would create smaller, more numerous parties.

Why would the goal be smaller, more numerous parties? Because parties had stopped prioritizing anything ideological and became giant vote-banks instead of actual parties.

What is the opposite of creating an ideologically consistent party that doesn't have a super big tent approach? The Liberals.

Therefore, I consider you (and the Communitarians) as being fundamentally opposed to how we solve our past mistakes inherently, by your very structure.

Let me re-order your comments slightly.

We were stuck in a (situation where) people valued votes over sticking to any sort of ideology. (this caused a)  two party system because the parties became too big. Why did they become too big? Because (of the above). Thus, they grew more and more bloated and inconsistent ideologically.

What was the proposal to solve that problem for? The caucus system, by design, was meant to encourage more ideological thinking. Caucuses were meant to be designed around individual philosophies or individual issues.

However, that doesn't solve the problem entirely, so Bgwah proposes dissolution. Why? Again, the parties were too big. Why were they too big? Again, because they became super-big-tent parties that were ideologically unrecognizable as anything.

So why would dissolution solve that? Because it would create smaller, more numerous parties.

Why would the goal be smaller, more numerous parties? Because parties had stopped prioritizing anything ideological and became giant vote-banks instead of actual parties.

What is the opposite of creating an ideologically consistent party that doesn't have a super big tent approach? The Liberals.

Therefore, I consider you (and the Communitarians) as being fundamentally opposed to how we solve our past mistakes inherently, by your very structure.

The problem is not a 2 party or 1 party system. The problem is people who come in, without knowing what the hell is going on in Atlasia, and vote as though they are equal to you, me, or napoleon. Each of us pays great attention to this game, and the idea that someone who's only contribution to Atlasia for an entire year is to cast a ballot based on party label makes me ill - yet every time I've come up with a proposal to stop this (and go back though my post history, this was one of my first issues. Read TPTTAA, it was the FIRST thing I dealt with) everyone shoots it down.

[President Marokai]

I really don't understand what you're getting at, Teddy. Nor do I understand why you seem to sniff out controversy everywhere on this forum and try to insert yourself into it. I have no problem increasing the requirements of people to remain an active voter.

[Senator Napoleon]

Do you deny anything I just said? Or are you going to just continue trying to desperately shift this into a personal argument so you can try to cast this aside as "Marokai running around with a hatchet again"? Do you know how old that tactic is and how many people your senior have tried it? The issue remains, and undefended.

If you go through my first Senate term and analyze the votes, I would not be surprised to see Snowguy as the Senator voting most similar to me. Or, do you care to explain how Snowguy's platform of free trade and fiscal prudence contradicts the Liberal Party platform?

You are weird.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I, by nature, seek out the ridiculous situations in life. I have what seems to be a unique ability to detect them. I then am able to phrase things in such a way that people can detect how ridiculous I am, and then it's an easy and short step for me to show them how ridiculous the original situation is/was

Speaking of ridiculous things, we really should be having this debate in another thread.

[Senator Napoleon]

I really don't understand what you're getting at, Teddy. Nor do I understand why you seem to sniff out controversy everywhere on this forum and try to insert yourself into it. I have no problem increasing the requirements of people to remain an active voter.

Stop creating needless controversy and there's none for him to sniff out!!

[Senator Sbane]

nclib
Liberal Party
same

This is generally why I don't like the Liberal Party. They know that the term is taken two completely different ways to two completely different types of people, and they use that dual definition to recruit anyone from nearly -6 to +3 econ. How does someone with that score decide to join a social liberal/econ centrist group? Ugh, whatever.

It's not some conspiracy...what else should we call ourselves? I can't think of anything better than liberal party. We may be more moderate on economic issues than you guys but calling ourselves the moderate party would be a mistake since we are anything but moderate on social issues.

Edit: Also have we ever pretended that we are a non ideological big tent party? Haven't we made it clear what our ideology is? What have we done that makes you think we are trying to recreate the JCP? As someone who wasn't too fond of the big tent party system, I would certainly be opposed to any attempt to do that. That being said, I obviously want my party to do well as do you I am sure. Instead of blowing up at us, you should focus on recruiting for your party and telling people why they should join it instead of the liberals.

[Fuzzy]

Fuzzy
Washington
Labor Party

[Senator Barnes]

Barnes
Exhilaration
Labor Party

[Communists For McCain]

Christ kids.

This is the "New Register Thread", not the "Insert Drama and Make Yourself Look Like a Little Bitch Thread".

Anyway

Mechaman
Montana
Individual Freedom Party

[Governor Scott]

Scott
Connecticut
Liberal Party (Atlasian Anti-Conscription Caucus)

(EDIT: Nevermind- I don't see many people joining a one-issue caucus. )

[Jayhawker]

Tmthforu94
Indiana
Moderate Party

Indecisive! Brings me back to late 2009.

[Dallasfan65]

Dallasfan65
Massachusetts
Populares

[Vote UKIP!]

Tmthforu94
Indiana
Moderate Party

Indecisive! Brings me back to late 2009.

Could you give the Whigs a chance?

[Frodo]

Made my decision:

Frodo
Virginia
Moderate Party

[Jayhawker]

Made my decision:

Frodo
Virginia
Moderate Party

Welcome!

[Prez Duke]

Duke
South Carolina
Moderate Party

[Frodo]

Made my decision:

Frodo
Virginia
Moderate Party

Welcome!

Thanks. 

I was also considering the Liberal and Whig parties, but decided against them at the last minute. 

[Senator Napoleon]

Made my decision:

Frodo
Virginia
Moderate Party

Welcome!

Thanks. 

I was also considering the Liberal and Whig parties, but decided against them at the last minute. 

Hopefully we can prove our competence and you consider joining, I've liked your input on legislation.

[Jayhawker]

I've liked your input on legislation.

I've noticed it as well - that's why I voted for him in the last Senate election. I think Frodo will make a nice addition to the Senate one day.

[Hans-im-Glück]

Hans-im-Glück
Exhilaration
Labor

[For Oklahoma]

20RP12
Rhode Island
New Populares Party

EDIT: DISREGARD THIS POST, Just leave me registered with the Populares - Individual Freedom Party until we change our name.

[homelycooking]

20RP12
Rhode Island
New Populares Party

So are you leaving the "Populares - Individual Freedom Party"?

[For Oklahoma]

20RP12
Rhode Island
New Populares Party

So are you leaving the "Populares - Individual Freedom Party"?

Well, I think we're gonna call it the New Populares Party. I don't know yet. I'll re-register with the official name. But yeah just list me with the Populares - Individual Freedom Party for now.

[Bacon King]

Bacon King
Georgia
Liberal Party