Governors Vulnerability Rankings From The Washington Post

[CARLHAYDEN]

Weld espouses every kooky nostrum of the loony left.

I don't know of anyone with a real knowledge of New York politics who thinks that he can receive the Conservative party nomination or be elected.

Indeed, there is real doubt whether he can get the Republican nomination.

please elaborate, carl.

you think weld is a loony leftist?

Well, lets see.

He is pro-Abortion.

He believes in racial preferences.

He supports 'gay marriage.'

He opposes to right to keep and bear arms.

Hows that for a start.

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He is pro-Abortion.
He supports 'gay marriage.'

All those mean is that he might be sane.

You think some crazy Operation Rescue terrorist is going to win in NY?

[WalterMitty]

Weld espouses every kooky nostrum of the loony left.

I don't know of anyone with a real knowledge of New York politics who thinks that he can receive the Conservative party nomination or be elected.

Indeed, there is real doubt whether he can get the Republican nomination.

please elaborate, carl.

you think weld is a loony leftist?

Well, lets see.

He is pro-Abortion.

He believes in racial preferences.

He supports 'gay marriage.'

He opposes to right to keep and bear arms.

Hows that for a start.

i support all of those, and i suspect many ny republicans also support those principles.

weld is a bit of a care-free spirit.  he has a capricious nature about him.

while he is not likely to win in ny in 06, im glad to see him back in the public arena.  i only wish hed come back to mass and run for gov.

[minionofmidas]

He is pro-Abortion.
He supports 'gay marriage.'

All those mean is that he might be sane.

You think some crazy Operation Rescue terrorist is going to win in NY?

He didn't say that. All he said was nominating Weld instead of someone more Conservative wouldn't increase the Republicans' chances, partly due to vote splitting.

[CARLHAYDEN]

The interesting thing is that the Republican party in New York has an interesting 'learning curve.'

About every twenty years the New York Republican party ticks off the conservatives with predictable results.

See New York Governor's race in 1990

See U.S. Senate race in New York in 1970

Usually it takes about twenty years for New York Republicans to forget the painful lesson they were taught.

Are they getting so stupid they they are jumping the gun this year?

[minionofmidas]

What happened in 1990 apart from Mario Cuomo's reelection?
1970 - was that Buckley? I always wondered how that happened exactly.

[WalterMitty]

What happened in 1990 apart from Mario Cuomo's reelection?
1970 - was that Buckley? I always wondered how that happened exactly.

i thought buckley defeated incumbent liberal republican jacob javits?

[CARLHAYDEN]

What happened in 1990 apart from Mario Cuomo's reelection?
1970 - was that Buckley? I always wondered how that happened exactly.

i thought buckley defeated incumbent liberal republican jacob javits?

He defeated Charle Goodell.

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Anyways, this argument is pretty pointless. It's been over a decade since a Republican besides George Pataki won a statewide election in NY.

[CARLHAYDEN]

What happened in 1990 apart from Mario Cuomo's reelection?
1970 - was that Buckley? I always wondered how that happened exactly.

In 1990, for example, Herbert London, running as a Conservative, had nearly as many votes as the Republican nominee for governor, Pierre Rinfret. Mr. Cuomo, then the governor, was re-elected that year with 2.2 million votes on the Democratic and Liberal lines, to about 865,000 for Mr. Rinfret and 828,000 for Mr. London.

[Smash255]

What Carl seems to forget is THIS IS NEW YORK.

A conservative Republican has no chance to win ANY statewide race NONCE< ZILCH ZIP NADA.

Pataki may have had the conservative nomination, but he is almost as socially liberal as Giuliani & Bloomberg are.

Biggest difference between now & the past in NY, is the suburbs especially Long Island and Westchester.  For a Republican to do well in NY state the GOP MUST do wellon Long Island & Westchester.  A conservative Republican especially a socially conservative Republican UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES will do well in the NYC suburbs in a statewide race and will absolutley get dismantled statewide.  Not like it matters because Spitzer has this locked up already, but the only waay the GOP will do well in NY is to have a moderate to liberal Republican, any conservative Republican will get killed on Long Island & Westechester two areas the GOP neecs to even have a prayer.

[minionofmidas]

What happened in 1990 apart from Mario Cuomo's reelection?
1970 - was that Buckley? I always wondered how that happened exactly.

In 1990, for example, Herbert London, running as a Conservative, had nearly as many votes as the Republican nominee for governor, Pierre Rinfret. Mr. Cuomo, then the governor, was re-elected that year with 2.2 million votes on the Democratic and Liberal lines, to about 865,000 for Mr. Rinfret and 828,000 for Mr. London.

Thanks, very interesting. How were Rinfret's and London's strenghths distributed, anybody got data on that?

Smash, I don't think Carl's forgetting that ... he's just pointing out that a Liberal Republican's chances aren't really any better, because (in part thanks to NY's unique party system) a Republican can only win by winning over part of the Democrats without angering the Conservative base he needs to start from.

[Governor PiT]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

[Conan]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

[Mr.Phips]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

The only Republican who could beat him is Mike Bloomberg. 

[Conan]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

The only Republican who could beat him is Mike Bloomberg. 

I was being sarcastic. Good thing Bloomberg isnt a republican though.

[Governor PiT]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

The only Republican who could beat him is Mike Bloomberg. 

Tom Golisano, Rep. King, and Giuliani could all beat him possibly Jean Piro.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

The only Republican who could beat him is Mike Bloomberg. 

I was being sarcastic. Good thing Bloomberg isnt a republican though.

I do think he can win as an Indy, though.

[Governor PiT]

Why would Bloomberg challenge Spitzer? There so much alike.

[Smash255]

Spitzer's the most vulnerable.

Yea.

The only Republican who could beat him is Mike Bloomberg. 

Tom Golisano, Rep. King, and Giuliani could all beat him possibly Jean Piro.

KING???  ROTFLMMFAO

[HardRCafé]

Tom Golisano, Rep. King, and Giuliani could all beat him possibly Jean Piro.

Oh, right.  Safe Pirro, for any race.

[muon2]

If you want vulnerable, check out the latest Rasmussen poll from IL. Gov Blagojevich is polling at half the approval rate of Bush.

Key numbers:
Pres. Bush (31% approval):
14% Excellent
17% Good
16% Fair
52% Poor
1% Not Sure

Gov. Blagojevich (16% approval):
5% Excellent
11% Good
37% Fair
46% Poor
1% Not Sure

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

If you want vulnerable, check out the latest Rasmussen poll from IL. Gov Blagojevich is polling at half the approval rate of Bush.

Key numbers:
Pres. Bush (31% approval):
14% Excellent
17% Good
16% Fair
52% Poor
1% Not Sure

Gov. Blagojevich (16% approval):
5% Excellent
11% Good
37% Fair
46% Poor
1% Not Sure

Meanwhile, Blagojevich could still pull a plurality of general election voters.  Way to be, Illinois.

[HardRCafé]

Illinois:  "We don't try very hard!"

[Boris]

Meanwhile, Blagojevich could still pull a plurality of general election voters.  Way to be, Illinois.

And that was with a green party candidate winning 10% of the vote. Sometimes, I kinda wish the Illinois GOP wasn't non-existent.