The Right to Marry: Justice, at Last

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a married.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Yeah, that sounds like our ol' PD.

Dude, get a life.  You realize you sound almost as extreme as Migrendel?  Perhaps more so - and he's talking about lowering the age of consent to 12!

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a marriage.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Yeah, that sounds like our ol' PD.

Dude, get a life.  You realize you sound almost as extreme as Migrendel?  Perhaps more so - and he's talking about lowering the age of consent to 12!

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a marriage.

Once again Im not PD. Also I do have a life. I am just very sick to death of them gay people yelling there stupid heads off.

[KEmperor]

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a married.

I am having PD flashbacks.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I don't think they like you yelling your head off either

Those of us in the center just wonder if we could discuss things rationally and try to leave Hell out of it.

Yeah, that sounds like our ol' PD.

Dude, get a life.  You realize you sound almost as extreme as Migrendel?  Perhaps more so - and he's talking about lowering the age of consent to 12!

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a marriage.

Once again Im not PD. Also I do have a life. I am just very sick to death of them gay people yelling there stupid heads off.

[??????????]

This is what Josh sounds like :

I HATE GUY PEOPLE
BUT I PRAY FOR THEM

[Josh/Devilman88]

I don't hate them, I hate their actions.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I doubt they're wild about your actions either...

I don't hate them, I hate their actions.

[Josh/Devilman88]

I doubt they're wild about your actions either...

I don't hate them, I hate their actions.

and do I care?

[??????????]

I doubt they're wild about your actions either...

I don't hate them, I hate their actions.

and do I care?

I HATE GUY PEOPLE
BUT I PRAY FOR THEM

[Josh/Devilman88]

I doubt they're wild about your actions either...

I don't hate them, I hate their actions.

and do I care?

I HATE GUY PEOPLE
BUT I PRAY FOR THEM

TROLL haha just picking.  StatesRight I am not a troll. I did not take over your party.

[minionofmidas]

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

I'd like to see that.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

I'd like to see that.

Me too.

[Lunar]

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Not between a man and a man or a woman/woman or 5 men and 5 women. If we are going to do that abolish marriage completely.

My position is for the latter.  Leave marriage to the church, we don't need the government deciding what to recognize and what not to.

[Smash255]

Migrendel, of course, is going to ask "says who?". And that's a good question- who says? Why do we follow morality? Why do we do good and not bad? What is the purpose of right and worng?

A perfect example of how marriage has been diminished is proven by Migrendel's belief. First marriage is between a man and a woman. Then it's a man and man. Then it's three men and three women... why doesn't the entire world just forget about marriage?

Then have a big sex party!! haha just joking.. I tell you why we need it. Because it keeps order. With out morality, people would go around killing people. They would would be like Iraq was on a bad day. I don't care who is gay or not. Gay people don't need to get marriaged! If they want to get marriaged well then they are SOL.

There is a difference between universal moral principles, like acting such that you do not harm others, and moral laws dictated only by specific religions.

Pres. Bush trying to outlaw gay marriage is no more acceptable to a free society than Pres. Kerry trying to outlaw eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a married.

Why do you have so much hate inside you??

[opebo]

Not a 10 year old. But when he attains the common law age of maturity as practiced, 14, I'd say it's his Constitutional right.

And don't let your gag reflex override your jurisprudence.

I don't agree with you often migrendel, but I sure do on this issue.  Sexual liberty and puberty should be contemporaneous - its just common sense!

[English]

Personally I couldn't care less whether it's called marriage or not. I am a not a christian, therefore it would be wrong of me to tell the church what or what not to do.
However I would say this, I think a couple whether gay or straight has a RIGHT to have their partnership recognised by the STATE for reasons of tax, inheritance etc.
I am in favour of civil unions at least, simply because it's unfair if two people live together in a loving relationship and one dies, their partner is not entitled to anything. They can even be made homeless. Now that is WRONG. However you feel about the religious side, you must admit, that is very unfair. Straight unmarried couples are in the same position. I couldn't care less whether the church recognises it, however the state definately should.
The next of kin laws in these cases are ridiculous. the partner should be the next of kin.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How about all the legal rights/benifits/etc that goes with marriage without using the word?

[The Dowager Mod]

How about all the legal rights/benifits/etc that goes with marriage without using the word?

too wimpy.
FIGHT THE POWER BROTHA!!

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I hate wedge issues... they just divide people...

[Fritz]

Well I can care less about gay people. They are going to hell because they are gay and that is it. They don't need to be srewing up our nation, just because they want  some stupid  paper saying they are a married.

Once again Im not PD. Also I do have a life. I am just very sick to death of them gay people yelling there stupid heads off.

While I strongly disagree with the positions taken by the likes of Brambila and StatesRights, they at least make an attempt to argue their position intelligently.

This highly offensive and bigoted ranting should not be tolerated.  Would the good people of this forum tolerate racial slurs, i.e. using the N word to refer to black people?  I don't think so.  The language used by Josh is just as offensive and inappropriate.  Well, okay, I'll grant that he didn't call us f****ts, but he comes close.

I am going to use the little "report to moderator" button on the posts I have quoted above.

[English]

Just ignore Josh22, he's a troll.

It's probably PD under a different guise.

[minionofmidas]

How about all the legal rights/benifits/etc that goes with marriage without using the word?

How about marriage without all the legal rights/benefits/etc that currently go with it? For everybody, that is.
Down with pointless subsidies!

PS Josh is not PD. PD had no sense of humor and would have felt attacked even by my little "I'd like to see that" post. Really I'm quite glad that child isn't around anymore.

[English]

How about all the legal rights/benifits/etc that goes with marriage without using the word?

Yes, that's sort of what I meant! Why get rapped up with religious dogma?
I don't have a problem with the church's opposition, however I DO object to the states refusal to grant legal recognition to non-married couples (gay or straight). Total separation of Church and State!