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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2004, 07:20:06 pm »
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Kerry is an absolute idiot if he doesn't pick edwards, UNLESS somehow he can convince McCain to run with him.
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2004, 07:37:24 pm »
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The only people who like him are Republicans and other "Democrats" who are just registered Democrats but really Republicans and probably would vote for Bush anyway.

And the south is full of, what?  Miller is a moderate.  He'll campaign for Bush down there to get the base fired up and win over some other moderates.  Miller is VERY, VERY popular down there.  If Miller goes around in North Carolina, Northern Florida, Luisiana, Georgia, Virginia, Tennessee and West Virgina, then Bush won't have to spend much time at all, if any in those states.  That's time and effort (and money) that Bush can spend in other states.
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2004, 09:18:26 pm »
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The only people who like him are Republicans and other "Democrats" who are just registered Democrats but really Republicans and probably would vote for Bush anyway.

And the south is full of, what?  Miller is a moderate.  He'll campaign for Bush down there to get the base fired up and win over some other moderates.  Miller is VERY, VERY popular down there.  If Miller goes around in North Carolina, Northern Florida, Luisiana, Georgia, Virginia, Tennessee and West Virgina, then Bush won't have to spend much time at all, if any in those states.  That's time and effort (and money) that Bush can spend in other states.

Would he have to spend time there anyway?
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2004, 09:41:00 pm »
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Miller is a moderate? He's so far right wing and it's not even funny. Besides we'll cancel out Miller with another popular southern Dem geezer, Jimmy Carter.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2004, 10:38:13 pm »
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Zell Miller, Zell Miller, Zell Miller, Zell Miller

Zell Miller and nearly 150 other Southern Democrats have already signed on pledging that they will campaign for Bush.  Miller said that he is going to barn storm all accross the south for Bush.

Bush can have the South.  It won't matter after Kerry wins Ohio, New Hampshire, Arizona and Missouri.

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AZ and MO are pipe dreams for Kerry.  NH is also unlikely.. OH he may get..
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2004, 10:43:28 pm »
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Miller is a moderate? He's so far right wing and it's not even funny. Besides we'll cancel out Miller with another popular southern Dem geezer, Jimmy Carter.

Smiley No, whatever you do, don't bust out Jimmy - or Billy. He/they'd win over a PILE of southern states.
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2004, 10:54:54 pm »
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Miller is a moderate? He's so far right wing and it's not even funny. Besides we'll cancel out Miller with another popular southern Dem geezer, Jimmy Carter.

Oh yeah, Miller is such a radical.  That's why the ACU only gave him a 47 rating in 2002.
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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2004, 03:50:11 am »
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Miller is a moderate? He's so far right wing and it's not even funny. Besides we'll cancel out Miller with another popular southern Dem geezer, Jimmy Carter.

Oh yeah, Miller is such a radical.  That's why the ACU only gave him a 47 rating in 2002.

In 2003 it was 75.
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2004, 09:04:22 am »
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Miller was a moderate until 2003.  In 2003 he and McCain had the same ACU rating: 75.
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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2004, 10:26:01 am »
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Kerry won't win NC even with Edwards, but that doesn't take away from the poll itself, which means right now, Kerry is doing quite well.

Whether he can hold onto these types of numbers is yet to be seen.
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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2004, 12:21:26 pm »
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Kerry won't win NC even with Edwards, but that doesn't take away from the poll itself, which means right now, Kerry is doing quite well.

Whether he can hold onto these types of numbers is yet to be seen.


I believe it's a blip just as California is only 1 point ahead with Kerry. Probably a error but anything is possible! Every election is different.
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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2004, 01:35:57 pm »
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If this polls is accurate, and I'm not saying it is, then it could be possible that the hard times for textile mills may be having an effect in North Carolina.  I personaly don't believe that this will hold:

1) I give Edwards only a 20% chance of getting the nod.

2) Bush will fight his ass off to win here if he has to.  Zell Miller will plant himself here and barn storm from town to town for Bush if Bush looks weak here, but solid in the rest of the south.
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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2004, 03:29:59 pm »
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I wasn't that enthused with the result of this poll. I realize that independents in the South will be far more likely to vote for Bush than independents in the Northeast, thus Bush must be at 45% or below to not end up winning in one of the traditional Southern bloc states. I do think that this shows that Edwards would open up a whole new field of battlegrounds, but ultimately most of these would be closed.
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2004, 03:55:07 pm »
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Miller is a moderate? He's so far right wing and it's not even funny. Besides we'll cancel out Miller with another popular southern Dem geezer, Jimmy Carter.

Smiley No, whatever you do, don't bust out Jimmy - or Billy. He/they'd win over a PILE of southern states.



I believe Billy Carter died years ago.

Oh. Well he'd still stand just as good a chance as Jimmy at winning over that southern block of states.
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2004, 04:07:47 pm »
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might I also add that the ACU ratings for 2003 included voting against the Medicare bill as a double plus, so they actually sided with the liberals on that issue. So his actual rating as far as liberals are concerned was 83. And Americans For Democratic Action gave him a 10.

The only people who like Zell Miller anymore are Republicans and Democrats who might as well be Republicans, and they're all voting for Bush already.

Furthermore, he isn't that popular outside of Georgia. Most people in other southern states have never heard of them. I can guarantee most people here haven't heard of Feingold or Kohl.
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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2004, 05:54:14 pm »
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Much Like “Red” I must ak the question who the hell outside of Georgia save Political junkies and enraged democrats knows who Zell is?

He may well “barnstorm the south” but he’s hardly electrifying to listen to and what will be the good of his little trip if no one knows who he is? I would seem to me that he will have a negligible effect on the eventual result, if Bush wins NC (and he should do even if he loses) then Bush will be the one who won it not a Georgian Democrat who few have heard of outside of GA, conversely at the same time if the Democrats win NC it will be largely down to Edwards and unemployment.    
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2004, 06:00:03 pm »
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Much Like “Red” I must ak the question who the hell outside of Georgia save Political junkies and enraged democrats knows who Zell is?


Miller has been on a lot of national TV shows since he wrote his book.  I think that you underestimate his popularity and name recongination.

Also, he has a lot of southern charisma.  He can connect well with the average southern voter and he is generally well liked in the African American community.
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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2004, 10:34:07 am »
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Zell Miller is the only (politically-) surviving Democrat in Georgia, the others having been ousted in 2002. He will swing GA to Bush.

His influence in neighboring states will be less than marginal. Really, how many normal people can name the two senators in the state across the river? I will pay fifty dollars to anyone I meet in the mall if they can name Texas's two senators, the four congressmen in Arkansas, the governor of Mississippi, etc.
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2004, 02:58:14 pm »
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Edwards should be VP, North Carolina is the only state that has real standings electorally. New Mexico, Iowa, etc are small potatoes.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2004, 03:30:09 pm »
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Edwards should be VP, North Carolina is the only state that has real standings electorally. New Mexico, Iowa, etc are small potatoes.
The VP effect will make it close, but it will wear down. It might put Virginia in play. Why haven't any polls come out there?
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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2004, 03:45:40 pm »
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Edwards should be VP, North Carolina is the only state that has real standings electorally. New Mexico, Iowa, etc are small potatoes.
The VP effect will make it close, but it will wear down. It might put Virginia in play. Why haven't any polls come out there?

What about South Carolina, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc.? Wesley Clark and John Edwards can bring so many Southern States into play. Gore never won a political Southern state. Just the geographical Southern States California and New Mexico.
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2004, 08:04:09 pm »
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Just the geographical Southern States California and New Mexico.

How are CA and NM southern states?
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2004, 09:29:47 pm »
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Edwards would not do any thing.. the 3 biggest cities in North Carolina (Charlotte, Raleigh, Greensboro) are mostly republicans... the only areas that are mostly Democarts are along the coast

Look at North Carolina voting thing..

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^^^^ just for your info...........
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2004, 04:08:07 am »
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Durham ain't exactly coastal... has anyone got a map of the 1998 Senate race in NC?
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2004, 01:31:24 am »
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