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TomC
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2006, 12:32:01 AM »

I would hardly classify Condi Rice as an "Uncle Tom," not even as an "Aunt Thomasina."


Conversation of 9th graders in my class a month ago:

black girl: George Bush is a racist
white boy: George Bush can't be racist, he hired Condoleeza Rice didn't he?
black girl: Condoleeza Rice is an oreo
white boy: you're an oreo
me: uhm, okay, why don't we move on to vocabulary

there are much better days than this, though
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2006, 12:33:04 AM »

I would hardly classify Condi Rice as an "Uncle Tom," not even as an "Aunt Thomasina."


Conversation of 9th graders in my class a month ago:

black girl: George Bush is a racist
white boy: George Bush can't be racist, he hired Condoleeza Rice didn't he?
black girl: Condoleeza Rice is an oreo
white boy: you're an oreo
me: uhm, okay, why don't we move on to vocabulary

there are much better days than this, though

At least your students are arguing about current events.

My biology class consists of across-the-room shout-fights about whether Cassidy could take Lil' Wayne in a free-style rap battle.  These are usually followed by discussions of whether Magic Johnson is "cured of AIDS" or dead.
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2006, 12:34:31 AM »

I would hardly classify Condi Rice as an "Uncle Tom," not even as an "Aunt Thomasina."


Conversation of 9th graders in my class a month ago:

black girl: George Bush is a racist
white boy: George Bush can't be racist, he hired Condoleeza Rice didn't he?
black girl: Condoleeza Rice is an oreo
white boy: you're an oreo
me: uhm, okay, why don't we move on to vocabulary

there are much better days than this, though

At least your students are arguing about current events.

My biology class consists of across-the-room shout-fights about whether Cassidy could take Lil' Wayne in a free-style rap battle.

At least your class are arguing about something.

When I took biology, there was no class discussion except when we were discussing biology.
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2006, 12:43:45 AM »

IIRC, we were discussing Fahrenheit 451/censorship and the subject of Kanye West's live speech about Bush came up, there it digressed.
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2006, 08:01:10 AM »

I would hardly classify Condi Rice as an "Uncle Tom," not even as an "Aunt Thomasina."


Conversation of 9th graders in my class a month ago:

black girl: George Bush is a racist
white boy: George Bush can't be racist, he hired Condoleeza Rice didn't he?
black girl: Condoleeza Rice is an oreo
white boy: you're an oreo
me: uhm, okay, why don't we move on to vocabulary

there are much better days than this, though

That's hilarious.  Not only was that white boy stupid, he was so stupid he didn't keep his mouth shut about it.  Do they ever break out in racial epithets?
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2006, 10:41:48 AM »

I would hardly classify Condi Rice as an "Uncle Tom," not even as an "Aunt Thomasina."

Rice is fully qualified and capable of holding high public office, and of doing very well indeed in those offices.

Your statement about an "Uncle Tom" is outmoded, and, in fact, is an insult to intelligent African Americans across the country.  Your statement perpetuates the myth that African Americans resent successful, Republican, African Americans.  The only African Americans who still hold to this "Uncle Tom" theory are ultra liberals who find nothing good about successful non ultra liberal Democrats anyway.   

I doubt that is an accurate protrayal of most blacks, and anyway 'success' is by definition being an uncle tom, given that power lies in the hands of the white master.

But what I was referring to was that the whites would tolerate Rice as a V.P. candidate, because even though they hate a black, and would prefer a white, at least she is a toadying, sycophantic black - the kind they like.

Please, you can't be serious.
 
"Success is by definition being an UNCLE TOM?"
So by your definitioin, every successful black person is an Uncle Tom?
I presume you mean by that that every successful black person who is a Republican is an Uncle Tom. 
Edward Brooke, J C Watts, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Michael Steele, Lynn Swann.  Uncle Toms?  I think not.  These are successful black Republicans who have made a valuable contribution to America and to the world, and will continue to make valuable contributions to society.  Anyone who does not recognize this, or who refuses to recognize this because of some narrow view on race, whether they are black or white, has been missing out on some very real and worthwhile events that have been unfolding around them.     

"Power lies in the hands of the WHITE MASTER?"
"WHITE MASTER?"  Are you kidding me? 
I didn't think anyone used that term anymore, except maybe for Harry Belafonte, who is clearly completely removed from reality.

"Even though they hate a black?"  Come on now.
Reasonable white people do not hate blacks.
Reasonable black people do not hate whites.
Most Republicans are reasonable people.
Most Democrats are reasonable people.
Any thinking person can recognize worthwhile qualities in an individual, whether black or white, whether Republican or Democrat.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2006, 11:56:46 AM »
« Edited: February 02, 2006, 07:18:46 PM by opebo »


Oh yes, very.
 
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'Success' is a reward provided by those with power to those without for doing something the powerful want.
 
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No, Mr. Belafonte is much closer to reality than you, Winfield.  Of course the 'WHITE MASTER'!  What colour do you think the owners are?

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You are underestimating racism, Winthrop, as most Republican apologists are wont to do.  The majority of white americans hate a black, and no doubt many black americans hate a white (though of course they have good reason).
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2006, 06:25:46 PM »

Thank you opebo, you made my day.

I was practically rolling over with laughter reading your latest comments.

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2008, 01:06:56 AM »

Sorry, but I just had to bump this one.
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2008, 01:08:39 AM »

I must admit, this thread is pretty funny.
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2008, 01:20:52 AM »

This forum's consensus is clearly just awful at long-term predictions

Maybe not worse than the conventional pundit
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2008, 06:36:29 AM »

This forum's consensus is clearly just awful at long-term predictions

Maybe not worse than the conventional pundit

Yeah, it is worse, actually. I mean, seriously, this thread makes my eyes bleed.

The only good thing about this thread is that opebo is at his absolute best in it.
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2008, 06:42:48 AM »

America is not ready, despite popular belief, for Obama (and they may never be). Nick's map is dead on.

Lol.
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2008, 07:49:07 AM »

It's amazing what you can find with the search function.  Like this thread for example:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=26291.0

Barack Obama has been oversold in my opinion by people who know nothing about him, and only like the IDEA of someone like him.  That is the kiss of death, usually, because the real person can never live up to the hyped-up expectations.

Exactly.  It's the Curse of the Keynote Speaker.

Neither Bayh nor Ford nor Obama will get anywhere beyond where they are now.

But this thread is also great:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=25861.0

Especially this post:



Graham/Daniels                330
Obama/Spitzer                  208

I believe Obama is over rated as a potential Presidential candidate.  Spitzer would be a solid VP choice, but should probably be at the top of the ticket.  He will probably be elected Governor of New York in 2006.   

I do not believe Graham is gay, and he would certainly have to talk his way out of his "Gang of 12" lunacy.  He may have ticked off some of the GOP base with this stupid display of theatrics, however, Obama and Spitzer are so liberal, there is no way these voters would be supporting them, and the base would be back in the GOP fold for the election.  Daniels is credible VP material, and would not hurt the ticket.         

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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2008, 06:57:24 PM »

This forum's consensus is clearly just awful at long-term predictions

Maybe not worse than the conventional pundit

It's not just that we're bad at long-term prognosticating; that's true of almost anyone. I mean, would anybody in the world have said in 2001 that Barack Obama would be George W. Bush's successor?

No, the thing is people on the forum make some bizarre suggestions. I know that you can never say never in politics, but the idea that Condoleeza Rice was going to be on a Republican ticket is fairly unlikely. There isn't going to be a pro-choice moderate Republican on the ticket for a long time, if ever. Blanche Lincoln is a slightly less ridiculous choice for a Democratic running mate, but still unlikely.

What a lot of people don't grasp is that the parties are increasingly ideologically unified, which means that's it's very unlikely that (a) Democrats will nominate someone from the right-wing of their party, and (b) Republicans will nominate someone from the left wing of their party.

Frankly, I think the running mate choices are more ridiculous than the presidential nominees: Allen was seen as credible at the time.
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