Department of Housing and Urban Development Reduction Bill

[CheeseWhiz]

(BS Proposal)

No, your amendment is abhorrent.

Actually, Ebowed thinks we abolished the Office of Public and Indian Housing

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

BTW, I think the Office of Public and Indian Housing has already been ruled unconstitutional by Bono v. Atlasia II.  All of the ethnicity-based public services were ruled unconstitutional then, IIRC.

Close but not quite.  The court ruled that the programs administered (under chapter 8 of title 42) had an impermissible means test, but it didn't order the bureaucracy thereof be dismantled, nor did it rule on whether such programs would be constitutional absent such a test.  After all it would be quite conceivable for the Senate to revive the programs by removing the means test, it merely hasn't done so.  Thus we've been paying for bureaucrats to twiddle their thumbs until the Senate decided what to do.

[Jake]

Actually, Ebowed thinks we abolished the Office of Public and Indian Housing

We didn't do anything. The activist libertarian court toyed with it.

[Colin]

I have one problem with the CheeseWhiz bill. It repeals all bills that even mention the Office of Public and Indian Housing which could include several bills that have very little to do with the agency but are nontheless mention the department within their text. I much better means of doing something like this is to strike the the phrase Office of Public and Indian Housing from all bills and to repeal sections of bills that pertain to the Office of Public and Indian Housing.

Personally I think we should do this. If the court has already ruled that this office is unconstitutional, and I do believe that was a unanimous ruling, then it is only logical that we do away with the infrastructure of the unconstitutional department.

[CheeseWhiz]

I have one problem with the CheeseWhiz bill. It repeals all bills that even mention the Office of Public and Indian Housing which could include several bills that have very little to do with the agency but are nontheless mention the department within their text. I much better means of doing something like this is to strike the the phrase Office of Public and Indian Housing from all bills and to repeal sections of bills that pertain to the Office of Public and Indian Housing.

Personally I think we should do this. If the court has already ruled that this office is unconstitutional, and I do believe that was a unanimous ruling, then it is only logical that we do away with the infrastructure of the unconstitutional department.

Good point, I'll change it after we vote on Jake's amendment so that I can write it for whatever the current bill is.

[12th Doctor]

Here's one: If you like having angry homeless people living on your front lawn, abolish the DHUD.

HAHAHAHAHA

Well, I was going to say something liek that, but no way I can say it better than that.

[12th Doctor]

Also, the Urban Development part (which is often forgotten about) when dealing with HUD is important.  HUD is vital in planning the renovation of many of our older cities, and even the future planning of many of our newer ones.  They help decide what traffic paterns would work the best, how to optimize the location of utilities, shopping centers, parks and public buildings, how we can rebuild cities to create the fewest high pollution zones, etc.

[Ebowed]

The text of the bill is to be stricken and replaced with the following:

1. The funding under Personell and Administration for the Department of Housing and Urban Development shall be cut by 10%.

The vote is on the above amendment.  Senators may vote Yea, Nay, or Abstain.

[Colin]

Aye

[The Dowager Mod]

Nay.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[CheeseWhiz]

Yea.

[Bono]

Here's one: If you like having angry homeless people living on your front lawn, abolish the DHUD.

That's why we have the right to keep and bear arms.

[Bono]

Nay

And I' must say I'm very disapointed at what a certain senator can do to win votes.

[The Duke]

Here's one: If you like having angry homeless people living on your front lawn, abolish the DHUD.

That's why we have the right to keep and bear arms.

This is one of the greatest quotes ever.

[jokerman]

I recomend Senators concerned about this bill vote "nay," as the amendment will make the overall bill more likely to pass.

I'm guessing that's what Texasgurl sees.

[Jake]

The amendment changes the bill entirely from abolishing HUD to cutting the administrative overhead.

Aye

[Gabu]

Aye.

[MasterJedi]

This amendment has passed.

[Ebowed]

The following shall be added to the Bill:

2. The Office of Public and Indian Housing is hereby eliminated.
3. Any laws relating to the Office of Public and Indian Housing are repealed.

The vote is on the above amendment.  Senators may vote Yea, Nay, or Abstain.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[CheeseWhiz]

Wait, if I can, I'd like to change this amendment because of the concerns raised by Senator Wixted:

The following shall be added to the Bill:

2. The Office of Public and Indian Housing is hereby eliminated.
3. The words "Office of Public and Indian Housing" shall be striken from all bills.
4. Any section of any bill that pertains to the Office of Public and Indian Housing shall be repealed.

[Jake]

Nay to this ridiculous amendment

[The Dowager Mod]

Nay.

[Colin]

Aye