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Gustaf
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« on: January 09, 2004, 05:26:17 PM »

Feel free to ask me any questions, to help you better understand it. AGAIN, I doubt many people will like this idea, just based on the sheer complexity of it all.

I don't think it's that bad... Wink

Are you suggesting that the states get as many EVs as they have in real life? So California will be the biggest state despite the fact that only PD, as far as I know, is from that state? We have three people from Michigan that I have seen, and so on.
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 06:11:32 PM »

That EV system really isn't fair.  PD gets 55 Electoral votes?  I think not.  Go by popular vote.

But it seems to me that going by a popular vote would be too easy to sway the vote one way or another.  Like registering a bunch of different accounts and voting for one candidate or another.  Too easy to get ourselves a fraudulent election, I think.

We must have SOME other system other than POPULAR vote. Even in a REAL election we don't go by popular vote. And as GWBfan says, there may be some ballot stuffing, voter fraud, and CORRUPTION. I think we should stay away from just having a poll, and or voting publicly. Think about what happened with GM!


If people are gonna vote, we will run the risk of voter fraud, and that's that. We can't have s system not relying on people's votes, that would be too weird.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2004, 06:22:00 PM »

The EV system just wouldn't work here.  Screw it.

Wait a minute! You were in New York before! ARIZONA?Huh
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2004, 06:49:49 PM »

Maybe the electoral college should be done a little differently than in the real world.

Say, California.  PD, as far as I know, is the only person on this board from CA, which means the state would go Republican.  But that doesn't mean California has to have 55 EV votes.  We could base the number of EV votes on the number of people planning to vote in this fantasy race.

CM and Nym90 are both in Michigan, which gives that state more EV votes than my state of Ga, since I'm the only one representing that state.  Get it?


Yes, I like GWBfan's idea! We could fix up a situation like that!

See, if we all work together, and throw our ideas in the pot, then we will develope one TASTY election soup!

It will be a soup allright...

I agree that GWBFan's idea is better, I was actually going to propose it myself, ahem.... Wink
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2004, 07:01:07 PM »

I would say have a regular simulated EC, the results of which would match those of the popular vote, but try to do our best guess to determine who should win each state after the results are in.

Well, I can already determine that the Republicans will win every state in the south, and the Democrats will win all the New England states. That's kinda unfair to both parties.

Not necessarily. Isn't Harry from MS, or am I mistaken? And NHpolitico is from NH, he is the only guy from that state I've seen. A've also seen a Connecticut Rep , and no Dem from that state.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2004, 07:06:02 PM »

I would say have a regular simulated EC, the results of which would match those of the popular vote, but try to do our best guess to determine who should win each state after the results are in.

Well, I can already determine that the Republicans will win every state in the south, and the Democrats will win all the New England states. That's kinda unfair to both parties.

Not necessarily. Isn't Harry from MS, or am I mistaken? And NHpolitico is from NH, he is the only guy from that state I've seen. A've also seen a Connecticut Rep , and no Dem from that state.
There is a CT dem but he doesn't post much.

The chairman knows his memebrs, huh? Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2004, 07:07:12 PM »

I know everything, for I am perfect. Smiley

And modest too! Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2004, 12:23:05 PM »

Yes I am from Mississippi
Realistically a Democrat would have a very tough time winning Mississippi, even if the presidential nominee was from here.
However, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Tennessee are all states in the South that a Southern Democrat could put into play.  So if we do an electoral college by state, I would put AR, LA, and TN as big tossups and and MS as a tossup, but GOP-leaning.
Kentucky, Georgia, and Florida are also states that a Southerner could carry, but with a lesser chance of success.  Remember, though, Clinton carried all 3 of these.

This is starting to get confusing.  lol

Okay.  So Harry is from Miss.  I'm from Ga.  We can't *both* win the south.  If I vote Republican, I'd expect my state's EV's to go Republican.  Likewise, if Harry votes Democrat, his EV's should go Democrat (a Democrat winning in Miss!?  Oh my!).

But then there's another problem...two people from the same state, one votes Republican, the other votes Democrat - who gets the EV's?

I'm starting to go cross-eyed over this, so I guess I'll just let ya'll duke it out and decide on how to go.  Let me know how it goes.

Lol, that is a problem. I am leaning towards Nym90, who I think suggested having a popualr vote, and then just marking the states. OR! Couldn't we have a popular vote and then whoever won a state wins that state's member votes one more time. So if there are 5 voters from a state, 3 Reps and two Dems, the Dem nominee will recieve two votes, the Rep nominee 8 (3 direct votes + 5 from the state as a whole). That would give some weight to carrying states, but not mess up as badly as the normal EC. Home states could still be won, b/c with so few voters the candidates own vote might well be enough. What do you think of that?
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2004, 04:54:55 PM »

Also, I apologize if this question has been answered before, as I haven't read through all the posts, but is winning the general election just an honor or what?

No, whoever wins gets resonsible for our nuclear weapons, lol. I object to the word "just"! It's a major honour, and a responsibility, neither of which is to be taken lightly.  Wink Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2004, 01:37:43 PM »


Exactly, Mike, me and RP are all voting, and there might be others as well. You're free to join in! Smiley
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