Alito does NOT vote with conservatives in 1st case
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« on: February 02, 2006, 01:32:08 AM »

While I still thinK Alito will mainly vote with the conservatives this is interesting nonetheless

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2006, 01:51:50 AM »

How did we ever let this monster get on the bench!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 


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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2006, 03:24:32 AM »

And to think we could've had the empty-headed, rubber-stamper Miers!

Oh, the horror! Wink



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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2006, 07:02:02 AM »

I would laugh so hard if, after all the huffing and puffing, Alito turned out to be like Earl Warren, J.P. Stevens or Anthony Kennedy.

It won't happen, of course.  But still, I'd be laughing.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2006, 09:28:59 AM »

Interesting...what if he's secretly a liberal, and hid this for years, just to get on the supreme court?
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2006, 09:39:16 AM »

Ah, Judge Soutito. Smiley

What's the legal dispute in the Taylor case about? Typical right wing media bias doesn't report that but instead report the name of the woman he killed (is that fact even out of contention?) and the horrible way she died, which is probably quite irrelevant for this decision.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2006, 10:06:22 AM »

Ah, Judge Soutito. Smiley

What's the legal dispute in the Taylor case about? Typical right wing media bias doesn't report that but instead report the name of the woman he killed (is that fact even out of contention?) and the horrible way she died, which is probably quite irrelevant for this decision.

The beef is that Taylor views death by legal injection as a cruel and unusual procedure since it causes severe pain.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2006, 10:10:25 AM »

...and the question before the SC was whether they want to seriously look into that before they suspend the stay and let him be slain, right?
Since I don't believe they're going to rule unconstitutional what's likely the second least painful method of execution ever invented ... especially with modern-age squeamishness disliking the fountains of blood associated with the Guillotine ... unless they were to ban the death penalty entirely, which I'd love them to do but is certainly not constitutionally correct.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2006, 10:35:45 AM »



I think his case is weak at best.  He was found guilty in a state that has the death penalty.  He's just lucky that we don't do hanging, firing squads, or electrocutions that much any more.  Laying on a table and having a cocktail of various drugs going through my system is probably the least painful of the options available.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2006, 11:14:02 AM »

What is so surprising about this vote?  The reasonable thing to do would be to preserve the status quo until at the very least he could become familiar with the case.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2006, 11:52:13 AM »

What is so surprising about this vote?  The reasonable thing to do would be to preserve the status quo until at the very least he could become familiar with the case.

Which is, of course, his job.  This is why I disagree with the politics that surround the SC hearings.  Ask him about performing the job, not if he would vote this way or that on particular issues.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2006, 12:01:47 PM »

...likely the second least painful method of execution ever invented ... especially with modern-age squeamishness disliking the fountains of blood associated with the Guillotine ...

So the Guillotine is the least painful method of execution?
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2006, 12:02:55 PM »

What is so surprising about this vote?  The reasonable thing to do would be to preserve the status quo until at the very least he could become familiar with the case.
He was expected to be an originalist, not a reasonable. Wink

Opebo - yes, indeed.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2006, 12:58:24 PM »

He raped and murdered a 15 year old girl in 1989. Now 17 years later, he is finally about to be executed. If you are going to execute someone, at least do it in less time of the age of either the victim or the criminals age. (In other words, he should have been executed in less than 15 years after the murder. Or in Tookie Williams case, he was 25 when he committed the crime and 51 when executed.)

That said, if this wasn't Alito's first case, I don't think it should be a big deal.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2006, 01:12:45 PM »

...likely the second least painful method of execution ever invented ... especially with modern-age squeamishness disliking the fountains of blood associated with the Guillotine ...

So the Guillotine is the least painful method of execution?

As long as the blade is kept sharp, and the prisoner is possitioned correctly, yes it is.
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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2006, 01:14:21 PM »

As long as the blade is kept sharp, and the prisoner is possitioned correctly...
Well yes. Obviously. Granted.
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2006, 02:37:30 PM »

Possibilities

1. He's messing with us
2. The Bush admisntration doesn't care the slightest about this issue.
3. He's the next Souter (doubt it)

It should be noted that the Catholic church is against the death penalty.
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2006, 03:01:25 PM »

What is so surprising about this vote?  The reasonable thing to do would be to preserve the status quo until at the very least he could become familiar with the case.

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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2006, 03:03:21 PM »

He voted the Catholic position, which is no surprise at all.
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2006, 03:05:15 PM »

What is so surprising about this vote?  The reasonable thing to do would be to preserve the status quo until at the very least he could become familiar with the case.

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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2006, 03:07:01 PM »

It should be noted that the Catholic church is against the death penalty.

In most cases, yes it is ... however, support of the death penalty in general does not run counter to Catholicism.

...likely the second least painful method of execution ever invented ... especially with modern-age squeamishness disliking the fountains of blood associated with the Guillotine ...

So the Guillotine is the least painful method of execution?

Although the head "lives" for about seven seconds before the brain is totally deprived of blood and oxygen; hence why the French would hold them up for the crowd -- so the victim could view his audience.
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2006, 04:00:38 PM »

He voted the Catholic position, which is no surprise at all.

Interesting that both Scalia and Roberts, who claim to be devout Catholics, did not.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2006, 04:02:15 PM »

DAVID SOUTER II!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2006, 04:06:25 PM »

He voted the Catholic position, which is no surprise at all.

Interesting that both Scalia and Roberts, who claim to be devout Catholics, did not.

A judge's job is not to apply his personal views. Furthermore, there are Catholics that support the death penalty.
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2006, 04:09:13 PM »

He voted the Catholic position, which is no surprise at all.

Interesting that both Scalia and Roberts, who claim to be devout Catholics, did not.

A judge's job is not to apply his personal views. Furthermore, there are Catholics that support the death penalty.

There are Catholics who support abortion rights too, the point is the official Church position on the issue.

There 5 Catholics on the court. The point is not that a Justice can be expected to vote in line with "Catholic values" simply because they themselves are Catholic. The point is that it should come as no surprise if they did... In and of itself, such a vote should not been seen as taking the "liberal" position.
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