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« on: February 02, 2006, 11:34:26 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2006, 11:37:53 PM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2006, 02:36:13 AM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile

Interesting that these places are more oppressive than Africa or the Middle East in this regard.

Not allowing abortion in a case that continuing with the pregnancy would cause damage to the mother's well-being could potentially result in 2 deaths per case: both mother and child.  This seems like a punitive measure.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2006, 02:37:46 AM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile

Interesting that these places are more oppressive than Africa or the Middle East in this regard.

Not allowing abortion in a case that continuing with the pregnancy would cause damage to the mother's well-being could potentially result in 2 deaths per case: both mother and child.  This seems like a punitive measure.

Jake has previously stated that this is "tough luck" for the mother.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2006, 02:39:37 AM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile

Interesting that these places are more oppressive than Africa or the Middle East in this regard.

Not allowing abortion in a case that continuing with the pregnancy would cause damage to the mother's well-being could potentially result in 2 deaths per case: both mother and child.  This seems like a punitive measure.

Jake has previously stated that this is "tough luck" for the mother.

One obviously has to kill the mother and the fetus to save the fetus.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 04:13:51 AM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile

Why does the Vatican have an abortion law? There's no women there!

Best Country- Anywhere where you can get it safely and legally without using a wire hanger. That doesn't mean it should be encouraged, but it should be allowed in the first trimester.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2006, 05:26:41 AM »

Notice that the UK law is not as permissive as one might think Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2006, 05:33:05 AM »

Vatican, El Salvador, Malta, and Chile

Interesting that these places are more oppressive than Africa or the Middle East in this regard.

Not allowing abortion in a case that continuing with the pregnancy would cause damage to the mother's well-being could potentially result in 2 deaths per case: both mother and child.  This seems like a punitive measure.
Jake isn't pro-choice, he's just anti-life. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2006, 05:40:37 AM »

I don't think the information on Germany is correct. I don't think you can get a late-term abortion here just because of a perceived danger to the mother's health. Her life, yes. Sure. The number of 2nd or 3rd term abortions per year in Germany is somewhere in high double or low triple digits IIRC.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2006, 08:02:46 AM »

The U.K law would be about right if the limit was reduced from 24 to 18 weeks.
I've always liked the fact that it's not legal "on demand" and that the death penalty by proxy is illegal...
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2006, 08:04:26 AM »

What's the death penalty by proxy?
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2006, 08:07:10 AM »


Abortion due to rape
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2006, 08:25:59 AM »

Obviously there are many tied for best - all the ones with 'yes' accross the board.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2006, 09:10:00 AM »

I've always liked the fact that it's not legal "on demand" and that the death penalty by proxy is illegal...

It effectively is abortion on demand since you can get it for "socio-economic" reasons, whatever that means.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2006, 09:19:23 AM »

Chile
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2006, 09:19:52 AM »

No one but the best countries:

Benin, Central African Republic, Chad, Congo, Lesotho, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Maruratania, Mauritus, Niger, Senegal, Somalia, Swaziland, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Laos, Myanmar, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Dominican Republic, Ireland, Monaco, San Marino, Iran, Lebanon, Oman, Yemen, Guatemala, Brunei, Kiribati, Micronesia, Palau, Tonga, Tuvalu, Colombia, Dominica, Paraguay, Suriname
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2006, 09:25:46 AM »

Most of Central and South America. Ireland looks pretty good, too.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2006, 09:50:59 AM »

It effectively is abortion on demand since you can get it for "socio-economic" reasons, whatever that means.

I've checked the law and I'm not sure where wikipedia got the socio-economic thing from...

"(a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the
  continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the       
  pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of   
  the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or
 
  (b) that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to
  the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or

(c) that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of
  the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or
 
  (d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would 
  suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously       
  handicapped.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2006, 11:29:53 AM »

I think the principle of the Swedish law is pretty good (legal up to the point where the baby can be saved, then illegal from that point, except for special circumstances. The latter category is like a dozen a year or something out of 30 000)
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2006, 03:27:01 PM »

The best countries: Canada, Bahrain, Sweden, Macedonia, Greece, Hungary, Belarus, Cuba, Vietnam, China, Cambodia

That's because I see it as a personal decision and not something that the state should interfere in. I personally think its a HORRIBLE thing but I don't believe in state coercion
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2006, 06:03:16 PM »
« Edited: February 03, 2006, 06:05:09 PM by freek »

I think the principle of the Swedish law is pretty good (legal up to the point where the baby can be saved, then illegal from that point, except for special circumstances. The latter category is like a dozen a year or something out of 30 000)
The Dutch law is comparable. The limit was lowered in 2004 from 24 weeks to 21 weeks of pregnancy, because (in theory) it is now possible for babies born after 22 or more weeks of pregnancy to survive.

Only for pregnancies where it is sure that the baby can't survive (for example when it doesn't have a brain) exceptions are possible, but this hardly happens.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2006, 01:30:09 AM »

The best countries: Canada, Bahrain, Sweden, Macedonia, Greece, Hungary, Belarus, Cuba, Vietnam, China, Cambodia

That's because I see it as a personal decision and not something that the state should interfere in. I personally think its a HORRIBLE thing but I don't believe in state coercion

Why these places?  No government involvement at all?
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2006, 09:09:46 AM »

USA.

Roe v Wade was probably decided incorrectly, but I agree with the premise of legal abortion in the first 3 months and bans after that, which is what the US Government has judiciated/legislated.
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2006, 11:47:56 PM »

The best countries: Canada, Bahrain, Sweden, Macedonia, Greece, Hungary, Belarus, Cuba, Vietnam, China, Cambodia

That's because I see it as a personal decision and not something that the state should interfere in. I personally think its a HORRIBLE thing but I don't believe in state coercion

Why these places?  No government involvement at all?
I don't believe in state social control.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2006, 11:51:46 PM »

Roe v Wade was probably decided incorrectly, but I agree with the premise of legal abortion in the first 3 months and bans after that, which is what the US Government has judiciated/legislated.

That wasn't the holding in Roe. Virtually any and all regulation of abortion was 'unconstitutional' during the first six months of pregnancy. In the last three months, abortion could be prohibited, unless the health of the mother was at stake. The 'health of the mother' exception is arguably an 'unless she wants one' exception.
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