Why is this dumbsh**t President?

[Wakie]

I often wonder if Republicans really believe Bush is the best their party has to offer.  And I don't mean "the most electable".  I mean "the guy who would do the best job as President".

[??????????]

I wouldn't have voted for Joe Republic.


Oh, we are talking about Bush.

[Jake]

I often wonder if Republicans really believe Bush is the best their party has to offer.  And I don't mean "the most electable".  I mean "the guy who would do the best job as President".

Good. Republicans wondered the same about Clinton and Carter.

[Wakie]

I often wonder if Republicans really believe Bush is the best their party has to offer.  And I don't mean "the most electable".  I mean "the guy who would do the best job as President".

Good. Republicans wondered the same about Clinton and Carter.

Well, let's be honest and fair here.  Carter?  Definitely not.  I can think of several others I would have preferred.  You may have disagreed with Clinton and even disliked him as a person, but there was no mistaking that he was an intelligent man.

[Jake]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

[opebo]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

You must be joking.  Bentsen was practically a Republican.  Very right wing and not at all liked by most real Democrats.

[Virginian87]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

[opebo]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat - barely a Democrat at all.  There is no way he could've won a primary.

[Virginian87]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

[Wakie]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen would have been good.  But Clinton was certainly good.  A smart guy, a moderate, just can't keep it in his pants.

[GOP = Terrorists]

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

I guess we on the progressive wing of the party just wonder why you guys don't work to moderate the Republican party...  I mean don't get me wrong I appreciate that your votes will put some of the most progressive Democrats in the country at the head of very important committees.  Heck I'll even deal with a DLC/Republican-lite POTUS even though I don't believe it is the best electoral strategy.  But myself and probably many others sometimes think that  it would be better for the country to have you moderating the Republican party because from our view you are no different than Lincoln Chafee, Olympia Snowe, John McCain, Susan Collins, Lindsey Grahm, or Chuck Hagel.  More often than not you're wrong but we still think you have the best interest of the country at heart.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I smell bitter losers, you guys simply must niminate a moderate from your party HOWARD DEAN!

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He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

Zell Miller "Democrats" need to leave the party immediately. The Democratic party may be the big tent party, but rabid vampires who support Bush and have a 96 rating from the ACU need to get lost.

[MODU]

Zell Miller "Democrats" need to leave the party immediately. The Democratic party may be the big tent party, but rabid vampires who support Bush and have a 96 rating from the ACU need to get lost.

And so begins the demise of the Democratic party.  Hopefully the Constitution Party fills the void left by the dying husk of the Liberal Elite.

[Virginian87]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

Zell Miller "Democrats" need to leave the party immediately. The Democratic party may be the big tent party, but rabid vampires who support Bush and have a 96 rating from the ACU need to get lost.

Yeah?  Well, we Democrats would still be in power if not for left-wing hippy nuts like you.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

Zell Miller "Democrats" need to leave the party immediately. The Democratic party may be the big tent party, but rabid vampires who support Bush and have a 96 rating from the ACU need to get lost.

Yeah?  Well, we Democrats would still be in power if not for left-wing hippy nuts like you.

"Left wing-wing nuts"? The nuts are the ones that supported Bush invading a country for no good reason. Yeah, right-wing Democrats are so good at winning. Let's look at the 2004 Senate races. That guy Carson with the 50 ACU rating landslided in Oklahoma. That Chris John guy kicked some serious ass in Louisiana. Meanwhile some black guy from Chicago with a name similar to that of a well known terrorist who told the DLC to take his name off of their list went down in flames in that Senate race. Some extremistguy who doesn't seem to like Bush's nominees suffered a landslide defeat in New York. Yeah, we should bend over so that the Carsons and Johns of the world can destroy the Republicans with their incredible electoral success.

Hint: if the voters want a right-winger who licks Bush's ass, they'll vote Republican, not Republican-lite.

[Gabu]

That guy Carson with the 50 ACU rating landslided in Oklahoma.

Er, are you saying that a liberal Democrat would have done better?

I'm not entirely sure why you're not mentioning Brad Henry, a conservative Democratic Oklahoman who got elected to office and who currently enjoys both approval ratings of over 60% and a lead of +17 over his likely Republican opponent in 2006.

Should we boot out Henry and bring in a liberal Democrat?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

That guy Carson with the 50 ACU rating landslided in Oklahoma.

Er, are you saying that a liberal Democrat would have done better?

I'm not entirely sure why you're not mentioning Brad Henry, a conservative Democratic Oklahoman who got elected to office and who currently enjoys both approval ratings of over 60% and a lead of +17 over his likely Republican opponent in 2006.

Should we boot out Henry and bring in a liberal Democrat?

Governors/mayors are less polarizing. NYC is in its 4th term of a Republican mayor, but so what?

[MODU]

Governors/mayors are less polarizing. NYC is in its 4th term of a Republican mayor, but so what?

Maybe it means people are not interested in having Liberal Elites like yourself being their elected leaders.

[opebo]

He was certainly not the best Democrats had to offer c.1992; Bentsen?

Bentsen certainly would have been a better candidate than Dukakis or Mondale?

Bentsen was like a Zell Miller or a Ben Nelson sort of Democrat

That's exactly the kind of Democrat I am, and there are more of us than you think.  Hardly a Democrat at all?  Without us, the party would be run by the crazy leftists like...oh wait.

Zell Miller "Democrats" need to leave the party immediately. The Democratic party may be the big tent party, but rabid vampires who support Bush and have a 96 rating from the ACU need to get lost.

Yeah?  Well, we Democrats would still be in power if not for left-wing hippy nuts like you.

Why on earth would having a second Religious Party in power be at all appealing to we liberals, Virginian?  I'd just as soon stick with the original rather than sacrifice our party to the same nonsense.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Governors/mayors are less polarizing. NYC is in its 4th term of a Republican mayor, but so what?

Maybe it means people are not interested in having Liberal Elites like yourself being their elected leaders.

What is a "liberal elite"? If you hadn't noticed, Bloomberg is both rather rich, and also rather liberal for being a Republican.

[Gabu]

That guy Carson with the 50 ACU rating landslided in Oklahoma.

Er, are you saying that a liberal Democrat would have done better?

I'm not entirely sure why you're not mentioning Brad Henry, a conservative Democratic Oklahoman who got elected to office and who currently enjoys both approval ratings of over 60% and a lead of +17 over his likely Republican opponent in 2006.

Should we boot out Henry and bring in a liberal Democrat?

Governors/mayors are less polarizing. NYC is in its 4th term of a Republican mayor, but so what?

You were giving examples of conservative Democrats who lost (in Republican states) and comparing them to liberal Democrats who won (in Democratic states), as if to say that liberal Democrats are better at winning elections than conservative Democrats in general.  I'm saying that this is a rather unscientific analysis, given that you're not even attempting to take into consideration the differences between Oklahoma and New York.  A better comparison would be to take Carson and pit him against a liberal Democrat in Oklahoma and see who wins.

It should also be noted that Carson did 7 points better than Kerry in Oklahoma and actually managed to win more than zero counties.

[Sam Spade]

That guy Carson with the 50 ACU rating landslided in Oklahoma.

Er, are you saying that a liberal Democrat would have done better?

I'm not entirely sure why you're not mentioning Brad Henry, a conservative Democratic Oklahoman who got elected to office and who currently enjoys both approval ratings of over 60% and a lead of +17 over his likely Republican opponent in 2006.

Should we boot out Henry and bring in a liberal Democrat?

Governors/mayors are less polarizing. NYC is in its 4th term of a Republican mayor, but so what?

You were giving examples of conservative Democrats who lost (in Republican states) and comparing them to liberal Democrats who won (in Democratic states), as if to say that liberal Democrats are better at winning elections than conservative Democrats in general.  I'm saying that this is a rather unscientific analysis, given that you're not even attempting to take into consideration the differences between Oklahoma and New York.  A better comparison would be to take Carson and pit him against a liberal Democrat in Oklahoma and see who wins.

It should also be noted that Carson did 7 points better than Kerry in Oklahoma and actually managed to win more than zero counties.

Add to that Carson simply ran a bad campaign.

If Carson had run a good campaign, he should have lost by no more than 5 points.  I simply think the numbers were against him in the long run, however, and I think winning the race in 2004, specifically, would have been close to impossible.

If jfern wants to nominate a liberal Democrat in Ok, expect to receive under 35% consistently.

[Democratic Hawk]

In answer to your original question, I don't know. I don't quite get it with George W. Still, look on the bright side, you have have to suffer him for just under another three years. That's the beauty of the 22nd Amendment

Hopefully, the next President - whether Democrat or Republican - will be of a higher calibre

Dave

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

In answer to your original question, I don't know. I don't quite get it with George W. Still, look on the bright side, you have have to suffer him for just under another three years. That's the beauty of the 22nd Amendment

Hopefully, the next President - whether Democrat or Republican - will be of a higher calibre

Dave

That's pretty easy, although George Allen gives George Bush some competition there. How about a much higher caliber?