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  Which of the following is acceptable in war? (search mode)
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Question: Unless explicitly specified, assume civilians are not acting in support roles
#1
War itself is never acceptable
 
#2
Killing civilians acting in support roles as collateral damage
 
#3
Targeting civilians acting in support roles
 
#4
Killing civilians as collateral damage
 
#5
Targeting civilians when military targets are out of reach
 
#6
Targeting civilians to terrorize and/or demoralize
 
#7
Targeting civilians because keeping them alive would be costly logistically/economically
 
#8
Targeting neither military of civilian; but killing indiscriminately when loyalties are uncertain
 
#9
Killing indiscriminately regardless of suspected loyalties
 
#10
Targeting civilians for personal pleasure
 
#11
War is acceptable, but NOTA specific actions are
 
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Beet
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« on: February 09, 2006, 05:24:59 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 06:06:06 PM »

2-4 have been accepted by most combatants historically, given that a war is already taking place.

9-10 are generally considered war crimes, but there is some ambiguity. For example soldiers away from home get antsy without female companionship. If a commander does not allow his troops to rape the locals, they may be resentful or even rebellious and this could jeopardize the discipline he is able to maintain. Does this count as personal pleasure or logistical efficiency?

5-8 is the clash that truly confuses me, however. These actions could have utility for the war effort, but involve a deliberate targeting of innocents. Arguments seem to have been made from either side, given particular instances.

All of this is assuming a war is already taking place. Obviously, it says nothing about "just war" theory; what are the preconditions for engaging in a just war in the first place. These questions are solely about what is acceptable assuming that one has already begun to engage in a war.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2006, 04:37:17 PM »

Im not 100% sure, but Id say...

Killing civilians acting in support roles as collateral damage
Targeting civilians acting in support roles
Killing civilians as collateral damage

and under some circumstances...

Targeting civilians to terrorize and/or demoralize


That last option sounds like what the 911 terrorists did. Does that mean they just did the same thing we would do?

I vote options 2,3 and 4.

This is what I was afraid of... people are mixing the idea of when one can start a war justly and what one can justly do in a war that one is already engaging in. The whole idea is that once a war has started, the acceptable range of behaviors broadens immensely, but this should only inform our conservatism in judging when it is just to start a war in the first place...

911 was wrong primarily because bin Laden had no just cause to go to war against America in the first place. The fact that he targeted civilians only adds to the atrocity, but the second part is admittedly debatable, as you point out. Many combatants have targeted civilians historically, including this country during WW2... but we were clearly attacked. The main reason 911 was an atrocity however was that bin Laden started the war himself and he had no just cause to start it to begin with.
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