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« on: February 10, 2006, 10:08:10 am »
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PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR
Ed Rendell (D) 45%
Lynn Swann (R) 42%
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2006, 10:36:19 am »
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Another black Republican star emerges.

The GOP needs more candidates like Swann, and more candidates like Brooke (who goes back a ways), Watts, Steele, Blackwell, and more officials like Powell, Rice.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2006, 10:37:02 am »
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Does anyone have any idea where Swann stands on the issues? I looked on his website and there's nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2006, 10:43:28 am »
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Does anyone have any idea where Swann stands on the issues? I looked on his website and there's nothing.

So far, his main issues have been abortion and his 10 point economic plan.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2006, 10:45:21 am »
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So far, his main issues have been abortion and his 10 point economic plan.

Where can I read about those?
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2006, 02:01:28 pm »
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Atleast Swann isnt ahead like the last few polls. It scares me that nobody knows what Swann stands for. He could turn out to be a right wing nut. Well, Its not my state.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2006, 03:21:33 pm »
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It scares me that nobody knows what Swann stands for.

Just like Bob Casey?

He is a clone of his father.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2006, 03:30:04 pm »
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Well, we have had Swann ahead by 2 and 3 points in two polls and Rendell ahead by 3 in this one.  Also, roughly the same undecided numbers on all polls.  All looks like MOE movement to me.

If there's ever a race that counts as being a toss-up at this point, ten months away from an election, it is this one.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 03:43:10 pm »
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It scares me that nobody knows what Swann stands for.

Just like Bob Casey?
exactly. I hate Casey because of this.

As for the race, it should be a good one.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 03:59:17 pm »
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If Swan is a social conservative, he is the biggest threat to the Dems other than John McCain.

If Swan wins PA, and the 2008 GOP nominee picks Swan as his running mate, the Dems can kiss 2008 goodbye!!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 04:07:47 pm »
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If Swan is a social conservative, he is the biggest threat to the Dems other than John McCain.

If Swan wins PA, and the 2008 GOP nominee picks Swan as his running mate, the Dems can kiss 2008 goodbye!!!
Why the Hell would they choose Swann? That just seems like a bad pick up to me. It would be like the Dems taking Spitzer for VP. It wouldnt work.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 04:11:20 pm »
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If Swan is a social conservative, he is the biggest threat to the Dems other than John McCain.

If Swan wins PA, and the 2008 GOP nominee picks Swan as his running mate, the Dems can kiss 2008 goodbye!!!
Why the Hell would they choose Swann? That just seems like a bad pick up to me. It would be like the Dems taking Spitzer for VP. It wouldnt work.

Swann is a black.  If Republicans get 20% of the black vote in a presidential election, they cannot lose.
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 04:14:26 pm »
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If Swan is a social conservative, he is the biggest threat to the Dems other than John McCain.

If Swan wins PA, and the 2008 GOP nominee picks Swan as his running mate, the Dems can kiss 2008 goodbye!!!
Why the Hell would they choose Swann? That just seems like a bad pick up to me. It would be like the Dems taking Spitzer for VP. It wouldnt work.

1) He is known to 90% of Americans over the age of 35.
2) He has a great personality.
3) His respect among NFL fans gives him credability across party lines.
4) He would be the governor of PA, a blue state.
5) He is black and could give the GOP 20-35% of the black vote.
6) He is a natural born leader and people are awestruck by him.

...7) He is a WINNER and americans love winners.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2006, 04:17:34 pm »
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If Swan is a social conservative, he is the biggest threat to the Dems other than John McCain.

If Swan wins PA, and the 2008 GOP nominee picks Swan as his running mate, the Dems can kiss 2008 goodbye!!!
Why the Hell would they choose Swann? That just seems like a bad pick up to me. It would be like the Dems taking Spitzer for VP. It wouldnt work.

1) He is known to 90% of Americans over the age of 35.
2) He has a great personality.
3) His respect among NFL fans gives him credability across party lines.
4) He would be the governor of PA, a blue state.
5) He is black and could give the GOP 20-35% of the black vote.
6) He is a natural born leader and people are awestruck by him.

...7) He is a WINNER and americans love winners.
awestruck? wow, thats the worst word ive ever seen to describe peoples feelings of Lynn Swann. Anyway, I still think that A) He wont get chosen to be VP B) It wouldnt work out if he was.
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awestruck? wow, thats the worst word ive ever seen to describe peoples feelings of Lynn Swann.

50 million Americans saw that man, on live TV, give the greatest performance ever witnessed on a football field in Jan 1976 during Super Bowl X.

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Anyway, I still think that A) He wont get chosen to be VP B) It wouldnt work out if he was.

a) Yes, the GOP may not be smart enough to choose him as VP.
b) I don't see how it couldn't work.
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2006, 04:38:38 pm »
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I'm a supporter of Swann, but let's cut back on the euphoria a bit.  This is early.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2006, 05:34:38 pm »
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I'm a supporter of Swann, but let's cut back on the euphoria a bit.  This is early.

The euphoria is based on a Swann win in Nov...IF, a big if...IF he wins the Governorship, then he would be a huge nightmare to Dems IF (another big IF) he is the GOP VP candidate in 2008.

The euphoria has nothing to do with his chances this november.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 05:48:43 pm »
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I'm a supporter of Swann, but let's cut back on the euphoria a bit.  This is early.

The euphoria is based on a Swann win in Nov...IF, a big if...IF he wins the Governorship, then he would be a huge nightmare to Dems IF (another big IF) he is the GOP VP candidate in 2008.

The euphoria has nothing to do with his chances this november.

I just think it's a bit early to extend things out.  I expect a close election.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2006, 09:38:31 pm »
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Well, if Swann is going to win, he'd better get fundraising. He is facing a "supeman" fundraiser in Ed Rendell, who is no campaign trail slouch. Swann has yet to show a theme, an issue, or even a real reason why he wants to be Governor, and that can be a liability down the stretch.

Also, the pay-raise has made the state Republican party unpopular, as well as the Democrats who voted with them. Rendell needs to overcome that negative backlash.

Overall, hard to say, but it'll be a close one.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2006, 09:57:49 pm »
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He has a real chance of winning this election. If he does, 2008 is too soon, but he instantly would be on the fast track to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave (ironic, no?)

If the Democrats win the White House in 2008, especially, he probably would become the favorite for the 2012 nomination, assuming reelection in 2010. A 2008 GOP win complicates the issue somewhat, unless McCain wins and only serves one term because of his age and health.

Obviously, it's very early. But Swann, if he turns out to be a capable politician (which is impossible to know yet), could be a star. Again.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2006, 10:02:37 pm »
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If Swann wins, it is by no means too early to talk about him at the bottom of the ticket in 2008.
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I can't imagine a Governor beginning his service in 2007 would leave it mid-way through 2008. Condi Rice is the likely VP pick at this point, IMO.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2006, 10:53:57 pm »
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If Swann wins, it is by no means too early to talk about him at the bottom of the ticket in 2008.

I'd say something about this, but after thinking about and considering George W. Bush's fast-track to the presidency, I won't.
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2006, 10:58:16 pm »
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It scares me that nobody knows what Swann stands for.

Just like Bob Casey?

He is a clone of his father.

Where does his father stand on the Iraq war, the Bush tax cuts, and the nominations of Samuel Alito and John Roberts?

In all fairness, Casey did announce his support for Alito but it was after a long silence on the issue. Other than that, Casey doesn't say much. If he thinks he can win the race by just keeping his mouth shut then he has another thing coming to him.

As for the Gubernatorial race here, Rendell is obviously a lock still. Where are you Smash, Flyers, danwxman, other hacks...?
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2006, 11:03:44 pm »
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It scares me that nobody knows what Swann stands for.

Just like Bob Casey?

He is a clone of his father.

Where does his father stand on the Iraq war, the Bush tax cuts, and the nominations of Samuel Alito and John Roberts?

In all fairness, Casey did announce his support for Alito but it was after a long silence on the issue. Other than that, Casey doesn't say much. If he thinks he can win the race by just keeping his mouth shut then he has another thing coming to him.

As for the Gubernatorial race here, Rendell is obviously a lock still. Where are you Smash, Flyers, danwxman, other hacks...?

Phil, we know you're here.  I don't know about the other hacks.
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