Is this a hate crime? (Philip Buble's Story)

[Ebowed]

Philip Buble is a zoophile from Piscataquis County, Maine who first attracted the attention of the mass media in 1999, when he became the victim of a violent hate crime shortly after confessing his sexual orientation to his 71-year-old father, Frank Buble.

At age 44, Philip came out as a zoophile to his father, and in particular confessed his love for the family's female dog, Lady. Later, while Philip was showering, Frank Buble struck him repeatedly with a crowbar. Philip was hospitalized and treated for lacerations and a fractured arm, and Frank Buble was subsequently sentenced in 2000 to eight years in a Maine Department of Corrections prison for aggravated assault, although with all but nine months suspended on each of the two counts. Frank Buble pleaded guilty to the charges; Philip Buble was not charged with a crime. Philip claimed that he did not wish for his father to be jailed, but instead believed that Frank Buble needed psychotherapy. Frank claimed that he had been tired of supporting his son, had become angry, and did not want to advocate Philip's lifestyle.

In court, Philip submitted a letter to the Justice Mead requesting that the court allow Lady to attend the proceedings, but Mead denied the request.

Philip considered his case to be a milestone for zoophiles: he told a Bangor Daily News reporter, "I'm the first out-of-the-closet zoo [ie, zoophile] to be attacked because of my sexual orientation, so they have no precedent to gauge how a jury would react."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Buble

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Look.  WHAT did he expect?

[opebo]

Look.  WHAT did he expect?

To be left in peace, intolerant.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Look. WHAT did he expect?

To be left in peace, intolerant.

How is it "intolerance" to oppose something that is both extreme cruelty to animals and is wrong.

[opebo]

Look. WHAT did he expect?

To be left in peace, intolerant.

How is it "intolerance" to oppose something that is both extreme cruelty to animals and is wrong.

How can it be 'wrong'?  There is no such thing as objective morality, only your subjective preference, prude.

Also, the dog may have either enjoyed it, or not minded it, for all we know.

[afleitch]

While zoophilia is disgusting and the man needs help, the crime was motivated by his announcement of it. Whether it constitutes a hate crime is another matter.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Look. WHAT did he expect?

To be left in peace, intolerant.

How is it "intolerance" to oppose something that is both extreme cruelty to animals and is wrong.

How can it be 'wrong'?  There is no such thing as objective morality, only your subjective preference, prude.

Also, the dog may have either enjoyed it, or not minded it, for all we know.

1 There may or may not be "objective morality" but ing a dog is definately pretty damn wrong. People were meant to have sex with other people, not sex with man's best friend.

2 The dog is not sapient; its not able to give informed consent. That is why ing a dog is inherently immoral. Its the same as raping children.

[Gabu]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

Not true. There are crimes motivated just because of hate. THOSE are hate crimes.

[Gabu]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

Not true. There are crimes motivated just because of hate. THOSE are hate crimes.

Okay, every crime against another person is a hate crime of some sort.

If a woman cheats on her husband and he kills her, that was a hate crime, in that it was a crime borne out of hate.

[afleitch]

I'd agree with Straha. Stealing for example isn't a hate crime, neither is speeding in your car. Crime can be motivated by any means.

[AuH2O]

The father should be jailed for not killing the perv the instant  he heard that he bangs the family dog.

[Gabu]

I'd agree with Straha. Stealing for example isn't a hate crime, neither is speeding in your car. Crime can be motivated by any means.

I amended what I said.  However, I wouldn't say crimes can be motivated by "any" means; I would say that, on the whole, crimes have only one of two motivations, really: personal benefit or hate.  Stealing is an example of the first one; murder is an example of the second.

[dazzleman]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

I agree.  I don't like the term 'hate crime' because it implies that the motivation for a crime really matters, when what matters is (a) the intent to do harm, not the reason why the intent developed, and (b) the effect of the crime.

I am completely opposed to politically correct hate crime legislation.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

The father should be jailed for not killing the perv the instant  he heard that he bangs the family dog.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

So if someone whose children are starving steals an apple from a tree for them, it's a hate crime? Nice.

[A18]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

So if someone whose children are starving steals an apple from a tree for them, it's a hate crime?

Yes, and he should be promptly executed.

[Gabu]

Every crime is a hate crime of some sort.

So if someone whose children are starving steals an apple from a tree for them, it's a hate crime? Nice.

I amended my comment as follows:

I would say that, on the whole, crimes have only one of two motivations, really: personal benefit or hate.  Stealing is an example of the first one; murder is an example of the second.

Read the whole topic before commenting on a post.

[Jake]

Frank Buble=Freedom Fighter

[Q]

The father should be jailed for not killing the perv the instant  he heard that he bangs the family dog.

How do you have a social score that low, then?  It takes a lot to get a -8 or -9.

[The Man From G.O.P.]

The father should be jailed for not killing the perv the instant  he heard that he bangs the family dog.

Agree, hanging in the street would have been a bit more affective than a crowbar.

[Nation]

As disgusting as ol' Philip sounds, there's no excuse for beating someone with a crowbar. Under the current definition of 'hate' crime (regardless of whether I think it's a good idea) I think it falls under the definition.

[J. J.]

I think someone should be neutered, and it's not not Lady.

[Gabu]

I think someone should be neutered, and it's not not Lady.

Lady should be neutered because someone used her to commit beastiality?

Geez, talk about attacking the victim...

[Citizen James]

No.

The motive of the crime was retaliation for the criminal actions of the 'victim' (raping the family dog), rather than a blanket hatred of zoophiles, nor his mere mentioning of his desires.

The actions taken by the victim were clearly illegal (abuse of animals), and could be considered a mitigating circumstance for the assailant..

That said, his actions were still criminal, regardless of the situation.  Evicting him from the house, and urging him to get professional help would have been more legally acceptable options, as would seeking criminal and/or civil charges against him.