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« on: January 13, 2004, 07:38:14 PM »

Any results on today's DC primary?
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2004, 09:36:17 PM »

Haven't seen any yet, but I am looking.  But does it really matter.  Only way it makes News is if Dean loses and that is unlikely.


Any results on today's DC primary?
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2004, 09:57:36 PM »

Any results on today's DC primary?

Early results (halfway through) have Dean ahead by single digits over Sharpton. I suspect he'll hang on.  This will help with black voters in Maryland and that's a coup for Dean.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2004, 09:59:17 PM »

Hmmm, I see Dean 42-35 over Sharpton with 68% reporting.

There's a candidate named Vermin Supreme running also Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2004, 10:11:34 PM »

Question is - does Dave count this as a real primary and put it in the atlas?
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2004, 10:17:41 PM »

where are you seeing the results from?  a site please.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2004, 10:34:16 PM »

havent seen any results yet... im sure of a dean victory... plus only 1 major candidate is even on the ballot... not counting dennis,al, and carol
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2004, 12:43:21 AM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/dc/?nav=elections
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2004, 07:08:45 AM »

Question is - does Dave count this as a real primary and put it in the atlas?

He shouldn't. It doesn't count for anything at all. It's basicly a straw poll.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2004, 08:13:32 AM »

Dean only beat Sharpton by 10%.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2004, 09:41:29 AM »

From DC Board of Elections and Ethics.

HOWARD DEAN 42.75% 17,584
AL SHARPTON 34.25% 14,090
CAROL MOSELEY BRAUN 11.61% 4,776
DENNIS J. KUCINICH 8.28% 3,408
LYNDON H. LaROUCHE, JR. 1.21% 498
FLORENCE WALKER 0.60% 246
ARTHUR H. JACKSON, JR. 0.55% 226
VERMIN SUPREME 0.35% 144
HARRY BRAUN, III 0.20% 83
JEANNE CHEBIB 0.10% 43
LUCIAN WOJCIECHOWSKI 0.09% 37

Only 16% turnout.

I have added an entry to the Weblog, but I am still debating whether or not to add these results to the atlas since the real DC contest is the Caucus held on Feb 14.  The competition was light and there was no campaigining there by most of the major contenders, and no delegates were awarded.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2004, 11:10:41 AM »

wow 14,000 for Sharpton, a very strong showing, but a win for dean as expected.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2004, 12:47:45 PM »

What's the point of the DC primary? It doesn't count and is ignored by most of the media.
Is it something to do with the campaign for statehood?
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2004, 01:08:06 PM »

What's the point of the DC primary? It doesn't count and is ignored by most of the media.
Is it something to do with the campaign for statehood?
Sort of.  It can be used to build momentum, but that's about it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2004, 01:13:44 PM »

2 words again:  Publicity Stunt

It was all about statehood, which won't happen anytime soon.

DC would just give Dems 2 senators and a rep.  GOP won't let that happen, plus founders wanted an area that didn't belong to any state, let alone become one itself.
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2004, 01:14:36 PM »

I would be willing to let DC have voting representation on matters that dealt with DC's budget, but not national policy.  compromise of sorts.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2004, 02:00:17 PM »

I would be willing to let DC have voting representation on matters that dealt with DC's budget, but not national policy.  compromise of sorts.

It seems unfair that a group of voters should not be allowed to have a say in politics, b/c they happen to live in the wrong place. It doesn't make much sense to me.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2004, 02:07:43 PM »

What if the Boundary States competed to annex DC?
Would that be legal or at all possible?
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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2004, 02:38:45 PM »

As I understand it all boundary disputes have original jurisdiction at the US SCT.


What if the Boundary States competed to annex DC?
Would that be legal or at all possible?
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2004, 05:09:30 PM »

I see no reason why not to put it in the atlas.
Also, will the American Samoa, Puetro Rico, etc. results be put in the atlas?
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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2004, 10:32:27 PM »

What if the Boundary States competed to annex DC?
Would that be legal or at all possible?
DC was originally a 10 mile sided square along both sides of the Potomac.  In the early 1800's DC residents actually voted for MD Senators and Congressmen.  In 1846 the VA side of DC was returned to DC by an act of Congress.  The remaining part of DC, perhaps minus a federal mall area, could be returned to MD by act of Congress giving DC residents full voting rights.  They could then vote for the MD senator and MD would get an extra Congressional district.  However, it would take an amendment to the Constitution to rescind DC "special" 3EV.  But MD doesn't want DC, because it would be a drain on their budget.
One would think the Republicans would be pushing to return DC to MD, and rescind the 3EV for DC, since they could claim credit for giving a majority black city Taxation with Representation, and eliminate 2 Democratic EV!
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2004, 10:59:36 PM »

What if the Boundary States competed to annex DC?
Would that be legal or at all possible?
One would think the Republicans would be pushing to return DC to MD, and rescind the 3EV for DC, since they could claim credit for giving a majority black city Taxation with Representation, and eliminate 2 Democratic EV!
I guess the GOP hopes to someday revitalize the GOP in MD (They did win the guv race last year!)
It's pretty far down the list though Wink
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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2004, 11:36:36 PM »

Winning Gov was a huge step.  PLus Gov Ehlrich is still popular and a GOP hero in a way, beating a Kennedy to boot!  Long way fromt he frontier in MD yet, but a good first start and shows GOP is competitive in tough dem places too.  

A possible opening for Ehrlich along the lines of a Senate seat int he future if Sarbanes retires int he future or mikulski in 6 years as she wins this time easily.


What if the Boundary States competed to annex DC?
Would that be legal or at all possible?
One would think the Republicans would be pushing to return DC to MD, and rescind the 3EV for DC, since they could claim credit for giving a majority black city Taxation with Representation, and eliminate 2 Democratic EV!
I guess the GOP hopes to someday revitalize the GOP in MD (They did win the guv race last year!)
It's pretty far down the list though Wink
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2004, 04:36:57 PM »

As a local boy, some insights:
I live in MD about 10 minute drive from DC.  Outside of federal areas, DC is an absolute hole.  In my opinion, it must demonstrate an ability to do something, anything, with success before we go handing it more rights, etc.
Ehrlich has been quite a pleasant surprise here in MD (if you are a Republican, that is).  For all of my political life, the entire state of Maryland has been beholdent politically to the extremely liberal Montgomery and Prince George's counties (making up the northern borders of DC) as well as Baltimore City.  I was shocked when Ehrlich won, as I returned home from the polls that evening thinking I had wasted my time.  Even with a Rep governor, I thought he would have an impossible time with all of the Dems in the state gov.  Much of his agenda was shot down in his 1st year, however, recent opinion polls done after his 1st year in office show that he is very popular among Marylanders.  So, I guess there is hope.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2004, 04:40:49 PM »

As a local boy, some insights:
I live in MD about 10 minute drive from DC.  Outside of federal areas, DC is an absolute hole.  In my opinion, it must demonstrate an ability to do something, anything, with success before we go handing it more rights, etc.
Ehrlich has been quite a pleasant surprise here in MD (if you are a Republican, that is).  For all of my political life, the entire state of Maryland has been beholdent politically to the extremely liberal Montgomery and Prince George's counties (making up the northern borders of DC) as well as Baltimore City.  I was shocked when Ehrlich won, as I returned home from the polls that evening thinking I had wasted my time.  Even with a Rep governor, I thought he would have an impossible time with all of the Dems in the state gov.  Much of his agenda was shot down in his 1st year, however, recent opinion polls done after his 1st year in office show that he is very popular among Marylanders.  So, I guess there is hope.

Why does a state show an ability to do something to get representation? I don't get what you mean. What has North Dakota ever done? (It might be a bad example, but I'm sure you can think of a state which does not contribute with much of anything. I, being a foreigner, would have a harder time picking such a state, but there you go)
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