Jimmy Carter for Dean

[© tweed]

$2,200,000,000,000

[opebo]

$2,200,000,000,000

Not a particularly large national debt given the size of our economy.  Of course the idea of tax cuts and large deficits was to constrain wasteful social spending - 'Starve the Beast'.  I'm not sure if it has worked but at least we haven't had any other horrible initiatives like the New Deal or Great Society.  In fact the latter has been rolled back just a little.  

[© tweed]

$2,200,000,000,000

Not a particularly large national debt given the size of our economy.  Of course the idea of tax cuts and large deficits was to constrain wasteful social spending - 'Starve the Beast'.  I'm not sure if it has worked but at least we haven't had any other horrible initiatives like the New Deal or Great Society.  In fact the latter has been rolled back just a little.  

Yes, 2,200,000,000,000 is alot of money.  National debt just passed seven billion last month.

[opebo]

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Yes, 2,200,000,000,000 is alot of money.  National debt just passed seven billion last month.

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Seven trillion.  Not bad in an 11.25 trillion economy.

[© tweed]

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Yes, 2,200,000,000,000 is alot of money.  National debt just passed seven billion last month.

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Seven trillion.  Not bad in an 11.25 trillion economy.

Yes it is.  any way you cut it, seven trillion dollars is alot of money, and paying off seven trillion dollars is impossible, no matter how much time you give somebody.

[CHRISTOPHER MICHAE]

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Yes, 2,200,000,000,000 is alot of money.  National debt just passed seven billion last month.

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Seven trillion.  Not bad in an 11.25 trillion economy.

What, 7 Trillion is over half of an 11.25 Trillion $ Economy. If it was at 3 or 4 Trillion, I would say that is pretty good. But over Half?

[jravnsbo]

we could always just stay int he carter days of double dip recession and 20% interest rates I guess.

[Gustaf]

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Yes, 2,200,000,000,000 is alot of money.  National debt just passed seven billion last month.

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Seven trillion.  Not bad in an 11.25 trillion economy.

What, 7 Trillion is over half of an 11.25 Trillion $ Economy. If it was at 3 or 4 Trillion, I would say that is pretty good. But over Half?

I'd say it's pretty bad, especially if it's the net debt. That is at -4% in Sweden and -45% in Finland, I believe. Also, with the huge deficit you're running it's getting worse. On the other hand, you're nowhere near the 100%+ in net debt that countries like Belgium or Italy have. THAT is a huge debt!

[jravnsbo]

True and to always put it in perspective we do give a lot of foriegn aid to other countries and have a lot more military expense than most countries.  These are very big costs that other countries don't have.

So Italy and such don't have much of an excuse.

[Gustaf]

True and to always put it in perspective we do give a lot of foriegn aid to other countries and have a lot more military expense than most countries.  These are very big costs that other countries don't have.

So Italy and such don't have much of an excuse.

I agree with military expenses, but foreign aid isn't much of an excuse, in percentage of GDP your foreign aid are among the lowest in the rich world.

[NorthernDog]

I don't see how Carter's endorsement helps.  Dean needs to be judged on his capabilities to be President, not how a president in the 1970s feels about him.  Carter lost 44 states in 1980, including MA and NY.  Maybe Dean hopes he'll only lose 44 states?

[MAS117]

i agree those 6 states that dean wins will be a repeat of carters election

[12th Doctor]

i agree those 6 states that dean wins will be a repeat of carters election

Minnisota will go Bush so will Georgia, for that matter.

Acctually, now that I look at it, the states will be totally different, except Maryland and Rhode Island, Bush will carry all of the other states that Carter won in that election.  Dean will carry all the New England states that Reagan won, except New Hampshire and Maine.

[jravnsbo]

speaking of Carter when did an incumbant get beat that badly before that, I'm thinking like Hoover.

[Gustaf]

speaking of Carter when did an incumbant get beat that badly before that, I'm thinking like Hoover.

It's on the site...but I would guess at Hoover. Taft probably has an alltime record, winning only two states.

[jravnsbo]

Yeah probably true.  Always wished TR would have lived till 1920 elections as it is widely saidhe would have been nomninee and wanted it.  

speaking of Carter when did an incumbant get beat that badly before that, I'm thinking like Hoover.

It's on the site...but I would guess at Hoover. Taft probably has an alltime record, winning only two states.

[© tweed]

Yeah probably true.  Always wished TR would have lived till 1920 elections as it is widely saidhe would have been nomninee and wanted it.  

He didn't want to run even before he died.

[Gustaf]

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

[© tweed]

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

Agreed.  Hoover did badly also.

[jravnsbo]

Well i have heard he met with party bosses and said that he wa sinterested as he thought Wilso was a buffon and wanted to help straighten things out.

Yeah probably true.  Always wished TR would have lived till 1920 elections as it is widely saidhe would have been nomninee and wanted it.  

He didn't want to run even before he died.

[Gustaf]

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

Agreed.  Hoover did badly also.

Yep, but 10 times as many EVs as Taft.

[jravnsbo]

what states did hoover still win?

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

Agreed.  Hoover did badly also.

Yep, but 10 times as many EVs as Taft.

[Gustaf]

He won Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont and Delaware. That was it.

what states did hoover still win?

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

Agreed.  Hoover did badly also.

Yep, but 10 times as many EVs as Taft.

[WONK]

When I think of Jimmy Carter I think of the Georgia state abbreviation-GA, which, thanks to Carter, has ceased to stand for Georgia, and now just stands simply for "Go Away"

[jravnsbo]

interesting i was wondering about IA as that is where he was from, but hit hard by depression. thanks.

He won Connecticut, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont and Delaware. That was it.

what states did hoover still win?

OK, Taft won only Utah and Vermont, a total of 1.5% of the EC and 23% of the popular vote. I think that is the worse result ever.

Agreed.  Hoover did badly also.

Yep, but 10 times as many EVs as Taft.