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« on: March 16, 2006, 03:23:07 AM »

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49218

    

WND Exclusive Commentary The Greatest Canadian?
Posted: March 11, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, whose fidelity to left-wing politics never diminishes while its share of the Canadian television audience diminishes steadily, will present tomorrow and Monday its version of the man it has proclaimed "The Greatest Canadian."

That man is Thomas Clement Douglas, "Father of Canadian Medicare," the leader of the first socialist government elected in North America and founding leader of the socialist New Democratic Party. A CBC contest, conducted among the 10 percent of Canadians who watch the federally funded network, bestowed the "Greatest Canadian" title upon Tommy Douglas two years ago.

Pre-broadcast reviews of the CBC's four-hour television portrait of the man – unintriguingly titled "The Tommy Douglas Story" – were far from universally ecstatic. The chief criticism was that the show is boring, the central hazard of all hagiography.

It didn't need to be boring. To make it interesting, all the CBC had to do was describe the evolution of the real Tommy Douglas, instead of the legendary one. That show would have instantly become the talk of the country, while devotees of the legend would have been carted away with heart palpitations, spluttering expletives and threatening violence.

But the facts are the facts, and so far the Canadian left has been able to keep them away from the major media, which probably wouldn't run them anyway on the grounds that the legend has become unassailable.

But the truth is that "the Greatest Canadian," up to his mid-30s, like many others of the Canadian and American left, was a passionate believer in eugenics. After Hitler showed the world how eugenics would work out in practice, the left made a panic-stricken flight from the cause, often adopting new organizational names, such as eugenicist Margaret Sanger's "Planned Parenthood of America."

However, some were unfortunate enough to leave inextinguishable tracks behind them, and one of these was the CBC's "Greatest Canadian." Douglas's thesis for a master's degree in sociology at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, published in 1933, the year of his 30th birthday, reads like something out of "Mein Kampf."

Applying good eugenics doctrine to his chosen land, the Scottish-born Douglas described at length and in painful detail his solution for Canada's economic problems. Canadians must be bred scientifically, he said. People of lesser intelligence or deficient morality – natives, criminals, adulterers are specifically designated – should be sterilized. Homosexuals who persist in their perverse conduct should be incarcerated in insane asylums.

On and on it went, and 11 years after it was published its author headed in the province of Saskatchewan North America's first socialist government. All of this embarrassing past, judging from the reviews, was delicately omitted from the CBC's panegyric.

Yet here was an opportunity to raise several interesting questions. For one, why were so many people drawn into the eugenics movement, in fact still are drawn into it? Because, of course, it appears to have the indispensable (if unauthentic) ratification of "science." After all, we breed plants and livestock to achieve satisfactory results. Why not breed people in the same way?

The answer – that while we may know what kind of plants and cows we want, who is to decide what kind of people we want—was given short shrift back in the '30s, particularly in Germany and among the forerunners of the Planned Parenthood movement in America. The Catholic church vigorously opposed eugenics, but so what? It took Auschwitz and the Nuremberg trials to make the case more clearly.

Second, would those who were so swift to distance themselves from the movement after the Nazi experience began to unfold, have done so if the Nazis had won the war? Would the victors, perhaps having read Tommy Douglas's thesis, likewise have hailed him as "the Greatest Canadian," the ideal man to run the country?

Third, does the fact we are able to achieve something through applied science necessarily entitle us to do it? That is, should science always have the authority to trump morality? This, incidentally, was the principle at the heart of the Galileo trial, nearly 400 years ago, as author Wade Rowland points out in his fascinating "Galileo's Mistake: The Archaeology of a Myth," (Thomas Allen, Toronto, 2001). Galileo lost the case, but won the war for societal approval, a fact we may yet have profound cause to regret.

Such questions could have been explored, if the CBC undertook a real portrayal of Tommy Douglas. As usual, it has evaded the opportunity and instead gives us what Macleans magazine called "the stuff 'em and mount 'em mold of historical drama."


Ted Byfield published a weekly news magazine in western Canada for 30 years and is now general editor of "The Christians," a 12-volume history of Christianity.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2006, 03:52:31 AM »
« Edited: March 16, 2006, 04:04:39 AM by Senator Gabu »

Douglas completed the thesis mentioned when he was only 29, and he went absolutely nowhere with it.  It seems to me that there would be only two options for the CBC: mention it and usher in the firestorm it would inevitably create, which would completely block out any chance of talking about things that Tommy Douglas actually did in his life, or ignore it and run the risk of receiving complaints like this one that the story is being too generous and is whitewashing Douglas' life (not that most would consider not mentioning the topic of someone's master's thesis a whitewashing of that person's life, but this person seems to think something along those lines).

The fact of the matter is that the program is supposed to be about Douglas, not about the debate over eugenics, and given a sizeable amount of time to Douglas' master's thesis would not exactly have accomplished this goal.  Fulfilling Godwin's Law by asking whether Nazis would have considered Douglas a great Canadian for his master's thesis is at least as blatantly slanted a take on it as the show's current form is.  The author of this article seems to want to watch a show about the debate over eugenics, which, while something that would have the promise to be interesting, is not the intended topic of The Tommy Douglas Story, and I don't know why the author thinks it should be.

It should also be noted that Tommy Douglas was a freemason.  I find it weird that this author does not mention this fact.  Surely he could find enough material from that fact to attempt to trash Tommy Douglas even further.

PS: I also don't know why the article claims that the CBC proclaimed Tommy Douglas as "The Greatest Canadian", as if it was a choice by a select few CBC executives.  In fact, it was a nationwide vote by the Canadian population that decided who "The Greatest Canadian" would be (although the French-Canadian population was underrepresented, since the French version of the CBC was not a part of the production).
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2006, 04:24:12 AM »

I happened to know that Douglas supported Eugenics. However, what does this have to do with anything? He never made any laws in regards to it, or campaigned in favour of it.  He was a very good politician, and led a socialist government without bankrupting his province, and in fact ran it debt free.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 04:27:18 AM »

Tommy also thought homosexuality to be a disease as well (although he thought that they should receive treatment rather than put in jail), I noticed they didn't cover that. They also didn't mention how a child died during the doctor's strike. I do agree the movie was very pro-Douglas, but that was the point of the movie.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2006, 08:12:21 AM »

Not a great deal to add to earlier comments, but support for eugenics in some form or another (especially as far as the mentally ill went) was mainstream until the '60's or so... in some places (like Australia) later than that. And certain remarks by certain people about abortion (and a couple of other things... single mums is one actually) really do make me wonder if it hasn't entirely ended now... it's just that the people treated as inferior are no longer the same as they were decades ago.

There's nothing shocking about someone in the '30's advocating some form of eugenics; in fact by the standards of the time that stuff is pretty mild. Seriously. I can dig up some fun quotes if you want...
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2006, 01:54:59 PM »

Al, I can see yourself as being a big fan of Tommy Douglas. What are your opinions of him?
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2006, 03:14:10 AM »

This author quite clearly knows nothing about the history of eugenics. Countries like Sweden and Denmark were among the frontrunners. In DK there was a whole island devoted to a home for feeble minded women and the only way these women could get of this island was if they agreed on sterilization. Today all embryons are scanned for Downs syndrome in the first trimester which has resulted in a near exstinction of this syndrome in DK.

summa sumarum, Tommy Douglas was a product of his time.

On a side note to the Canadians, how many Canadians do watch CBC?
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2006, 03:25:36 AM »

This author quite clearly knows nothing about the history of eugenics. Countries like Sweden and Denmark were among the frontrunners. In DK there was a whole island devoted to a home for feeble minded women and the only way these women could get of this island was if they agreed on sterilization. Today all embryons are scanned for Downs syndrome in the first trimester which has resulted in a near exstinction of this syndrome in DK.

summa sumarum, Tommy Douglas was a product of his time.

On a side note to the Canadians, how many Canadians do watch CBC?

I know that, which is of course not very surprising, since the welfare state needed to ensure that the people who would most benefit from it don't get born, so that the people don't ptoext the expenses too much.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2006, 03:47:45 AM »

This author quite clearly knows nothing about the history of eugenics. Countries like Sweden and Denmark were among the frontrunners. In DK there was a whole island devoted to a home for feeble minded women and the only way these women could get of this island was if they agreed on sterilization. Today all embryons are scanned for Downs syndrome in the first trimester which has resulted in a near exstinction of this syndrome in DK.

summa sumarum, Tommy Douglas was a product of his time.

On a side note to the Canadians, how many Canadians do watch CBC?

I know that, which is of course not very surprising, since the welfare state needed to ensure that the people who would most benefit from it don't get born, so that the people don't ptoext the expenses too much.
It is only partly related to the welfare state which was wery rudimentary in the 30'ties (we first got a socialdemocratic government in 1929). The whole idea of racial hygenics was a common idea in the 30'ties.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2006, 03:59:16 AM »

Today all embryons are scanned for Downs syndrome in the first trimester which has resulted in a near exstinction of this syndrome in DK.

Do Danes see this as a good thing? I hadn't heard about this but it sets a dangerous precedent. Whats the next condition that will be declared undesirable, and the next after that? I've met people with Downs Syndrome, it upsets me to think that a government would try to eliminate them.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2006, 04:16:52 AM »

I know that, which is of course not very surprising, since the welfare state needed to ensure that the people who would most benefit from it don't get born, so that the people don't ptoext the expenses too much.

I'm fairly sure that Tommy Douglas did not do anything in practice remotely related to eugenics...
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2006, 04:33:23 AM »

Today all embryons are scanned for Downs syndrome in the first trimester which has resulted in a near exstinction of this syndrome in DK.

Do Danes see this as a good thing? I hadn't heard about this but it sets a dangerous precedent. Whats the next condition that will be declared undesirable, and the next after that? I've met people with Downs Syndrome, it upsets me to think that a government would try to eliminate them.
It is your own free choise wheather you want to keep the child or not, not the government that dictates that you shall have an abortion if the embryon has Downs. The teknology exists to check if the child has Downs syndrome or not and people are given a choise. It is a lifelong job to have a child with Downs. They will never be able to function completely independent, but that said this is very far from designer children.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2006, 09:03:12 AM »



And here I thought the thread was going to be about Gordon Lightfoot or Jim Carrey.  Smiley  Heck, I would even stretch for Wayne Gretzky.  HAHAHA
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