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« on: April 06, 2006, 08:28:18 PM »

Is flag burning protected under the first amendment?
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2006, 08:35:31 PM »

Absolutely. Freedom of speech covers any non-harming action that expresses an opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2006, 09:34:37 PM »



No.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2006, 10:25:01 PM »

Absolutely. And it is upsurd to amend the constitution over an issue like this.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2006, 10:34:54 PM »

As revolted as I am by the idea of flag burning, yes, I feel it is free speech, and should be legal.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2006, 10:36:23 PM »

Even if flag burning is not protected as free speech, surely property rights would also apply, given that the government would not stop you from burning any other item that you bought with your own money (provided that you don't smoke up other neighbors).
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2006, 10:37:29 PM »

yes-as symbolic speech.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2006, 10:46:48 PM »

Yes, obviously, and I find flag-burning a highly admirable activity.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2006, 10:49:47 PM »

especially the Thailand flag? Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2006, 10:57:29 AM »


^^^^^
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2006, 11:17:58 AM »

Even if flag burning is not protected as free speech, surely property rights would also apply, given that the government would not stop you from burning any other item that you bought with your own money (provided that you don't smoke up other neighbors).

The fact that it's your property is meaningless.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2006, 03:28:03 PM »

Even if flag burning is not protected as free speech, surely property rights would also apply, given that the government would not stop you from burning any other item that you bought with your own money (provided that you don't smoke up other neighbors).

The fact that it's your property is meaningless.

Why? By burning the flag, he is making smoke that will polute the air, therefore increasing the market for gas masks and air filters, thereby affecting interestate commerce? Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2006, 04:52:10 PM »

No, you can not yell "fire" in a crowded theatre (as Justice Holmes would say) as such instigates riots, the same can be attributed to flag burining. The 1st Amendment assures limited free speech.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2006, 05:03:17 PM »

Yes. I cannot think of any plausible legal argument against considering flag burning speech, unless one rejects the idea of symbolic speech altogether (in which case flying a flag would not be constitutionally protected either).

No, you can not yell "fire" in a crowded theatre (as Justice Holmes would say) as such instigates riots, the same can be attributed to flag burining.
Actually, Justice Holmes did not say that you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. He said that you cannot falsely yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

This distinction serves to underscore a very important point. Yelling "fire" and burning a flag are two entirely different things. The first is a statement of fact; the latter is a statement of opinion. Undoubtedly, the government may punish an individual for making false statements that lead to harm--this is the basis for crimes such as fraud, perjury, libel, and slander. However, there is no need for any such analysis when talking about opinions.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2006, 05:03:34 PM »

No, you can not yell "fire" in a crowded theatre (as Justice Holmes would say) as such instigates riots, the same can be attributed to flag burining. The 1st Amendment assures limited free speech.

What if done in a controlled environment on private property?

Public flag burning isn't a free speech issue, it's a safety issue.  Burning a flag on private property is a free speech issue.
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