Opinion of High Fructose Corn Syrup manufacturers

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Horrible People. The US needs to get rid of that sh!t and use real sugar like the sodas in other countries do.

Interesting story, a few summers ago I was hanging out in my friend's basement with a touring band that just played from Norway, we were all drinking from a root beer keg (yeah, my friend is straightedge), and the Norwegian band refused to have any. They said American soda was just disgusting, and they wouldn't have a drop of it.

[John Dibble]

F**K F**K F**K - can we please stop dividing the world into freedom F**KING fighter and horrible F**KING people? The real F**KING world isn't that G simple, so I would F**KING appreciate it if people would stop making these F**KING ff/hp polls.

As to my opinion of HFCS manufacturers, they are neither freedom fighters or horrible people - they're just people trying to make money. The government drove up the price of sugar through tariffs and drove down the cost of HFCS by subsidizing corn, so what the hell do you expect to happen? You make this stuff cheaper than regular sugar and it's going to be expected that manufacturers are going to use it. Don't blame your manufacturers, blame the government for artificially altering the market environment. That's the F**KING reality, and no F**KING ff/hp poll is gonna fit the reality of the situation.

*This has been a F**KING service announcement by the People for F**KING Common Sense*

[MODU]

ALL HAIL DIBBLE! 

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ALL HAIL DIBBLE! 

He's a FF for sure.

[Virginian87]

I agree though.  Our soft drinks taste worse with corn syrup instead of real cane sugar.  You want a great soft drink?  How about Cheerwine, which still uses cane sugar in its soda, though this might be just the glass bottle variety.  I believe you can find it up in Minnesota, now.  They just expanded from the South to the upper Mississippi Valley. 

There is a bottling plant in Texas that still uses sugar instead of syrup for Dr Pepper.  I believe they call it "Dublin Dr Pepper" since the plant is in Dublin, Tex.  They get their sugar from Imperial Sugar in Sugar Land, Tex. near Houston.

[opebo]

American soda certainly is disgusting.

[MaC]

Any of you guys know of any soda in Michigan that they sell with cane sugar, rather than HFCS?  I've had Mexican soda, some of which is good, but I'd like to find out about others (major names in soda)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well Blue Lion mentioned one, although I still have yet to see it in Minnesota.

[MasterJedi]

Freedom Fighters, it's called capitalsim BRTD. If you don't like it go to a Communist haven (that really isn't Communist).

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Freedom Fighters, it's called capitalsim BRTD. If you don't like it go to a Communist haven (that really isn't Communist).

No, theoretically under capitalism (at least with what capitalists claim) we'd have choices, meaning both soda sold with real sugar and HFCS in the US. We don't, we only have one choice. How is that any different than a communist country where they only distribute soda with HFCS?

[John Dibble]

Freedom Fighters, it's called capitalsim BRTD. If you don't like it go to a Communist haven (that really isn't Communist).

No, theoretically under capitalism (at least with what capitalists claim) we'd have choices, meaning both soda sold with real sugar and HFCS in the US. We don't, we only have one choice. How is that any different than a communist country where they only distribute soda with HFCS?

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices. Since the large majority of soda drinkers don't care about HFCS, largely due to them not really knowing or just not caring about what they are consuming, there isn't really a high demand for soda with no HFCS, so basic economics dictate that few if any producers will bother producing it. We do have choice in brand however because there is sufficient demand for soda, so many producers will produce it and try to get people to buy their brand. If a large enough portion of the market started demanding and pressuring manufacturers to produce soda with real sugar, or sugar became cheaper than HFCS(as I said, blame the government for this not being the case with their tariffs and subsidies), producers would use real sugar in at least some of their products.

So if you're gonna blame anyone, blame the government for creating the condition of HFCS being cheaper and blame the people who consume soda for not caring what's in it, not the producers who are trying to make a living.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I agree though.  Our soft drinks taste worse with corn syrup instead of real cane sugar.  You want a great soft drink?  How about Cheerwine, which still uses cane sugar in its soda, though this might be just the glass bottle variety.  I believe you can find it up in Minnesota, now.  They just expanded from the South to the upper Mississippi Valley. 

There is a bottling plant in Texas that still uses sugar instead of syrup for Dr Pepper.  I believe they call it "Dublin Dr Pepper" since the plant is in Dublin, Tex.  They get their sugar from Imperial Sugar in Sugar Land, Tex. near Houston.

Yes, it's only the glass bottles of Cheerwine that use sugar instead of HFCS.  Also, if the soda is Kosher for Passover, it won't contain HFCS since HFCS is not Kosher for Passover.

[opebo]

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices.

Correct, which is why there is very little choice under capitalism, and in fact the practical effect of capitalism is similar to communism - huge, monolithic organizations and very little choice for the individual.  Just look at the architecture - compare the american strip mall to the Soviet apartment block!

[Alcon]

American soda certainly is disgusting.

Yes, because American soda is the only soda in the world with high fructose corn syrup.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

American soda certainly is disgusting.

Yes, because American soda is the only soda in the world with high fructose corn syrup.

Well it is the only country where it's used predominately. Except for maybe Canada.

[MaC]

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices.

Correct, which is why there is very little choice under capitalism, and in fact the practical effect of capitalism is similar to communism - huge, monolithic organizations and very little choice for the individual.  Just look at the architecture - compare the american strip mall to the Soviet apartment block!

The chances of getting exactly what you want go down significantly with socialism, and don't exist with communism.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I bet all soda in Cuba is made with real sugar.

[opebo]

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices.

Correct, which is why there is very little choice under capitalism, and in fact the practical effect of capitalism is similar to communism - huge, monolithic organizations and very little choice for the individual.  Just look at the architecture - compare the american strip mall to the Soviet apartment block!

The chances of getting exactly what you want go down significantly with socialism, and don't exist with communism.

No, the chances of getting exactly what you want are exceedingly low under both capitalism and socialism.

[Gabu]

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices.

Correct, which is why there is very little choice under capitalism, and in fact the practical effect of capitalism is similar to communism - huge, monolithic organizations and very little choice for the individual.  Just look at the architecture - compare the american strip mall to the Soviet apartment block!

The chances of getting exactly what you want go down significantly with socialism, and don't exist with communism.

No, the chances of getting exactly what you want are exceedingly low under both capitalism and socialism.

I get pretty much exactly what I want from my local supermarket.

It seems to me that it would depend on what you want.

[opebo]

No, the chances of getting exactly what you want are exceedingly low under both capitalism and socialism.

I get pretty much exactly what I want from my local supermarket.

It seems to me that it would depend on what you want.

Of course.  You of the tasteless lumpenproletariat are easily pleased.

I was thinking about this issue as it relates to Converse tennis shoes.  They used to be made in a rather particular way in North Carolina - very high quality, and with certain grades of materials and rather lovely wear patterns (hence the greater desirability of old converse to new).  During the 1990's the quality of materials used was drastically reduced by the company, which eventually went bankrupt, and was bought by Nike.  Now the shoes are made using a different process in Asia, which has led to a shoe so inferior in both materials and wear pattern that it is of little interest to the discerning buyer.  Lastly, to add insult to injury, Nike has arbitrarily ceased to make half sizes, leaving we 10 1/2's without any option. 

If anyone knows of a similar shoe that would appeal to the converse fanatic, please share.  I'm thinking of ordering (from Ebay) some Italian Supergas:

[John Dibble]

Wrong. Theoretically under capitalism choices would exist if there was sufficient demand for other choices.

Correct, which is why there is very little choice under capitalism, and in fact the practical effect of capitalism is similar to communism - huge, monolithic organizations and very little choice for the individual.  Just look at the architecture - compare the american strip mall to the Soviet apartment block!

There's actually quite a variety of choice under capitalism. Soda with sugar in it just happens to be one of the areas where there isn't many, or any, available choices in this country(I'll note to you that in other countries, the same applies to soda with HFCS - you don't have it available) because there's not enough demand. However there is still a variety of different brands and flavors - tons of choices.

As far as architecture goes, I see plenty of choice there. I see lots of different styles of buildings. Strip-malls are a poor example, becuase they're designed to be cheap to build, not pleasing to the eye. If you want, you can hire an architect to design your own house - I know people who've done that, and the results were quite lovely. Hell, I could go look at Atlanta and see the variety of differing building architectures.

Choice exists in capitalism when there's demand for different choices. For most products, there is a variety of choices. Just because you are unable to get your particular niche supplied does not imply lack of choices, it only implies you aren't getting the choices you want. You can call the majority tasteless if you want, but the majority still gets sufficient choices to meet their demands.

[opebo]

You can call the majority tasteless if you want, but the majority still gets sufficient choices to meet their demands.

Yes!  Just like under socialism.

[memphis]

So, back to HFCS. I say it's time to end corn subsidies. Americans are too fat to be subsidizing food. Maybe if corn products weren't so cheap, people wouldn't be so fat. I'd like to do it gradually so that people have time to adjust, but the subsidies have to go.

[opebo]

So, back to HFCS. I say it's time to end corn subsidies. Americans are too fat to be subsidizing food. Maybe if corn products weren't so cheap, people wouldn't be so fat. I'd like to do it gradually so that people have time to adjust, but the subsidies have to go.

Impossible - ADM owns the GOP.

[John Dibble]

So, back to HFCS. I say it's time to end corn subsidies. Americans are too fat to be subsidizing food. Maybe if corn products weren't so cheap, people wouldn't be so fat. I'd like to do it gradually so that people have time to adjust, but the subsidies have to go.

Impossible - ADM owns the GOP.

Not impossible, but highly unlikely - too many interest groups like corn subsidies. The more likely step would be to end tariffs on imported sugar. Another step for consideration would be to give tax breaks to manufacturers that use real sugar instead of HFCS since the corn subsidies wouldn't be ended.