Will Immagration Make The United States More Conservative Or More Liberal?

[Kevin]

Will immagration make the United States more conservative or more liberal? Discuss.   

[nclib]

I'd say more liberal, since it will increase acceptance of different cultures and alternative lifestyles.

[© tweed]

Hispanics are generally populist by nature so I'd go with "more populist".

[CARLHAYDEN]

Will immagration make the United States more conservative or more liberal? Discuss.   

The situation is very complex.

First, two key groups of the national Democrat constituency are very unhappy by the present exaltation of illegal immigrants.  Both blacks and labor unions are very irate.  Both of these groups are socially conservative, but have often voted for liberal Democrats out of partisan loyalty, which is being severely threatened.

Second, another group currently has unusually large influence in the Democrat party (homosexuals) are begining to feel uneasy over the increasing influence of hispanics in the party as hispanics tend to be less sympathetic to homosexuals than the national average.

Third, the wealthy socially liberal Republicans will have their comeuppance in a few years.  While hispanics tend to be socially conservative, they tend to be populist in economic policy.  So. forget eliminating the estate tax (it may be increased).

[Nym90]

I think you bring up some good points, Carl.

Though if unions, blacks, and gay-rights supporters are all against illegal immigration, who does that leave for the Democrats in support of it, at least among core constituencies?

But yes, the economic demension of the issue is one that seems to get little emphasis. The President does not want to stop illegal immigration because he and his party's leadership are under the pretty nearly complete control of corporate interests, which clearly want to increase the supply of cheap labor so as to drive down wages.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Intestingly enough, the unions have been pretty clear, if ineffective on this issue.

What many people don't know is that thirty years ago little Caesar sent some his people (UFU/UFWOC) to patroll the border (it was nicknamed the 'tortilla fence.}

The media has largely covered up the anger in the black community over this issue.  This may be a signicant factor in the Maryland Senate race.

The homosexuals haven't really figured this one out yet.  They're in for a real surprise.

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  Both blacks and labor unions are very irate.  Both of these groups are socially conservative, but have often voted for liberal Democrats out of partisan loyalty, which is being severely threatened.

Oh, really? Someone forgot to tell Barbara Lee, Jesse Jackson Jr, and John Conyers that they're supposed to be socially conservative. All have perfect scores on family planning

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[jokerman]

  Both blacks and labor unions are very irate.  Both of these groups are socially conservative, but have often voted for liberal Democrats out of partisan loyalty, which is being severely threatened.

Oh, really? Someone forgot to tell Barbara Lee, Jesse Jackson Jr, and John Conyers that they're supposed to be socially conservative. All have perfect scores on family planning

http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?member=CA9
http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?member=IL2
http://www.progressivepunch.org/members.jsp?member=MI14

We're talking about the people, not self-righteous political activitsts.

[adam]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

[Nym90]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

[adam]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

Yeah well...the exit polls also said that Kerry won Ohio which obviously wasn't so. Either way, I was refering more to congressional races in which a majority of Latinos voted for Republicans and independents.

[CARLHAYDEN]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

The 'hispanic' vote really breaks four waysL

Puerto Ricans are nearly as Democrat as blacks
Cubans tend to lean republican
Mexicans tend to lean Democrat
Others tend to lean Democrat

If you drop the Puerto Ricans out of the mix, it was just about a tie in 2004

[Max]

Hispanics are generally populist by nature so I'd go with "more populist".

I agree

[Akno21]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

The 'hispanic' vote really breaks four waysL

Puerto Ricans are nearly as Democrat as blacks
Cubans tend to lean republican
Mexicans tend to lean Democrat
Others tend to lean Democrat

If you drop the Puerto Ricans out of the mix, it was just about a tie in 2004

If you drop Cubans out of the mix, Kerry wins by the typical Democratic margin. You can't just drop part of the data to suit your purpose.

[Nym90]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

Yeah well...the exit polls also said that Kerry won Ohio which obviously wasn't so. Either way, I was refering more to congressional races in which a majority of Latinos voted for Republicans and independents.

True, the original exit polls did, but the polls were later corrected to reflect the actual results. The corrected exit polls are the ones I'm referring to.

I didn't realize the majority of Hispanics voted Republican for Congress; I had never seen that suggested before.

[Nym90]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

The 'hispanic' vote really breaks four waysL

Puerto Ricans are nearly as Democrat as blacks
Cubans tend to lean republican
Mexicans tend to lean Democrat
Others tend to lean Democrat

If you drop the Puerto Ricans out of the mix, it was just about a tie in 2004

Are there really almost as many Cubans as there are Mexicans and others combined?

[Kevin]

    Lets keep in mind that the Hispanic vote will most likely switch from leans Democratic to more moderate of the next 25-30 years as Hispanics begin to move up the social-economic ladder.   

[CARLHAYDEN]

The hispanic population in recent years have been leaning to GOP's advantage mostly in part to GWB's pro-amnesty planks. They are in fact the only US minority in which the majority of them vote for Republicans. I think that as immigration increases, so does the amount of GOP voters. I think that if immigration continues to increase, the country will continue to move to the right politically due to the increasing amount of GOP representatives being elected.

The 2004 exit polls indicate that Kerry won the Hispanic vote, though by only about 60-40, which was quite a bit less than the Democratic margin in years past. The only Hispanic group that to my knowledge is majority Republican is Cubans.

The 'hispanic' vote really breaks four waysL

Puerto Ricans are nearly as Democrat as blacks
Cubans tend to lean republican
Mexicans tend to lean Democrat
Others tend to lean Democrat

If you drop the Puerto Ricans out of the mix, it was just about a tie in 2004

Are there really almost as many Cubans as there are Mexicans and others combined?

I neither said nor implied that all four groups were equally large in numbers. 

However, participation rates are higher among Cubans (who tend to have a higher SES).

[TomC]

    Lets keep in mind that the Hispanic vote will most likely switch from leans Democratic to more moderate of the next 25-30 years as Hispanics begin to move up the social-economic ladder.   

If Bush grants amnesty, expect the SES of Hispanics who can vote to drop.

[Governor PiT]

It all depends on immigration trends. In 20 years there will be a massive latino suburban middle class, that will msot likely be moderate swing voters. However if we keep importing massive amounts of poverty form south of the border, our country will head toward socialism.

[Kevin]

The immagration trend this country is currently going through is no diffrent from when our ancesters came to this country.

[CARLHAYDEN]

The immagration trend this country is currently going through is no diffrent from when our ancesters came to this country.

I cannot, and will not adress what the "immigtration trend" was when you ancestors came to this country, but, I can address the circumstances when most legal immigration did occur, and the differences between it and the current presence of illegal aliens in our country.

There is that pesky little concept of obeying immigtration laws.  Those persons who arrived in the great waves of legal immigration to the United States (circa 1850 = 1917), obeyed the laws, whereas current illegal aliens don't.

I am constantly amused by the absurd lingtuistic devices used to try to excuse illetgal activity.  Lets consider the current attempt to rename illegal aliens as 'undocumented' aliens.

Now, it seems to me that an account holder at a bank upon presentation of proper 'documents' can withdraw his/her money from said bank.  So, should a robber who doesn't have such documents have the right to make similiar withdrawls?

[MissCatholic]

Liberal by some distance.

[Reignman]

Liberal on balance, but especially in the SW. I doubt Dems will do well in Wisconsin/Michigan in a couple decades.

[Kevin]

The immagration trend this country is currently going through is no diffrent from when our ancesters came to this country.

I cannot, and will not adress what the "immigtration trend" was when you ancestors came to this country, but, I can address the circumstances when most legal immigration did occur, and the differences between it and the current presence of illegal aliens in our country.

There is that pesky little concept of obeying immigtration laws.  Those persons who arrived in the great waves of legal immigration to the United States (circa 1850 = 1917), obeyed the laws, whereas current illegal aliens don't.

I am constantly amused by the absurd lingtuistic devices used to try to excuse illetgal activity.  Lets consider the current attempt to rename illegal aliens as 'undocumented' aliens.

Now, it seems to me that an account holder at a bank upon presentation of proper 'documents' can withdraw his/her money from said bank.  So, should a robber who doesn't have such documents have the right to make similiar withdrawls?

You have a point ,and by the way I oppose the amnesty