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« on: June 05, 2006, 02:24:03 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2006, 02:29:04 PM »

I don't want to vote for either of them but I'd choose Putin.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2006, 02:40:15 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2006, 02:41:56 PM »

I don't want to vote for either of them but I'd choose
...just for sentimental reasons though. Wink

Also, wi Captain Vlad.
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2006, 03:02:48 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 03:04:28 PM »

Lenin had that imposing facial hair...but I'd probably vote for Putin.

...just for sentimental reasons though. Wink

Also, wi Captain Vlad.

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2006, 03:09:52 PM »

Lenin had that imposing facial hair...but I'd probably vote for Putin.

...just for sentimental reasons though. Wink

Also, wi Captain Vlad.

Huh
wi was short for "write-in vote for".
Does that end yr confusion? Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2006, 03:15:23 PM »

Lenin had that imposing facial hair...but I'd probably vote for Putin.

...just for sentimental reasons though. Wink

Also, wi Captain Vlad.

Huh
wi was short for "write-in vote for".
Does that end yr confusion? Wink
Haha, Yes it does. "ty"
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2006, 05:17:04 AM »

Lenin.

Putin is just a bastard. I'd love to see what Lenin would do in a country with a modern economy.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2006, 06:26:44 AM »

Putin sucks.  Lenin was alright.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2006, 12:09:13 PM »

Lenin.  But only if I can show him the history of the last 100 years.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2006, 01:31:57 PM »

Someone who was both a Freedom Fighter and a Horrible Person vs. a Horrible Person. I'll go with Lenin.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2006, 02:08:55 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.

Either way, Lenin brought communism into the mainstream world. Had he not, then a lot of countries wouldn't have had to experience the failures of it. Also, he is to blame for Josef Stalin...had he not taken control of the country via his party, then Stalin wouldn't have had a chance to grab control after Lenin's death. So in a round about way, Lenin is equally responsible for the deaths of millions as is Stalin.

Putin on the other hand is just a sh**tty economist.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2006, 02:14:31 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.

Either way, Lenin brought communism into the mainstream world. Had he not, then a lot of countries wouldn't have had to experience the failures of it. Also, he is to blame for Josef Stalin...had he not taken control of the country via his party, then Stalin wouldn't have had a chance to grab control after Lenin's death. So in a round about way, Lenin is equally responsible for the deaths of millions as is Stalin.

Putin on the other hand is just a sh**tty economist.

Lenin hated Stalin.  He knew Stalin would create a huge bureaucracy and just exploit Marxism for power.  Lenin wrote a letter to the politburo in 1924 shortly before his death to urge that Stalin be removed from any position of power, but when Lenin died, Stalin censored all of Lenin's later writings.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2006, 02:20:49 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.

Either way, Lenin brought communism into the mainstream world. Had he not, then a lot of countries wouldn't have had to experience the failures of it. Also, he is to blame for Josef Stalin...had he not taken control of the country via his party, then Stalin wouldn't have had a chance to grab control after Lenin's death. So in a round about way, Lenin is equally responsible for the deaths of millions as is Stalin.

Putin on the other hand is just a sh**tty economist.

Lenin hated Stalin.  He knew Stalin would create a huge bureaucracy and just exploit Marxism for power.  Lenin wrote a letter to the politburo in 1924 shortly before his death to urge that Stalin be removed from any position of power, but when Lenin died, Stalin censored all of Lenin's later writings.

He never said that wasn't true, he's just saying that if he never came into power Stalin wouldn't have either.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2006, 02:22:38 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.

Either way, Lenin brought communism into the mainstream world. Had he not, then a lot of countries wouldn't have had to experience the failures of it. Also, he is to blame for Josef Stalin...had he not taken control of the country via his party, then Stalin wouldn't have had a chance to grab control after Lenin's death. So in a round about way, Lenin is equally responsible for the deaths of millions as is Stalin.

Putin on the other hand is just a sh**tty economist.

Lenin hated Stalin.  He knew Stalin would create a huge bureaucracy and just exploit Marxism for power.  Lenin wrote a letter to the politburo in 1924 shortly before his death to urge that Stalin be removed from any position of power, but when Lenin died, Stalin censored all of Lenin's later writings.

He never said that wasn't true, he's just saying that if he never came into power Stalin wouldn't have either.

And that's not Lenin's fault.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2006, 02:42:19 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.

Either way, Lenin brought communism into the mainstream world. Had he not, then a lot of countries wouldn't have had to experience the failures of it. Also, he is to blame for Josef Stalin...had he not taken control of the country via his party, then Stalin wouldn't have had a chance to grab control after Lenin's death. So in a round about way, Lenin is equally responsible for the deaths of millions as is Stalin.

Putin on the other hand is just a sh**tty economist.

Lenin hated Stalin.  He knew Stalin would create a huge bureaucracy and just exploit Marxism for power.  Lenin wrote a letter to the politburo in 1924 shortly before his death to urge that Stalin be removed from any position of power, but when Lenin died, Stalin censored all of Lenin's later writings.

He never said that wasn't true, he's just saying that if he never came into power Stalin wouldn't have either.

And that's not Lenin's fault.

As Jedi said, I never denied this. However, had Lenin and Trotsky been defeated in the Revolution...Stalin would have had the power to censor writings and take control of anything. Lenin and Trotskys violence in the end did nothing more than give Stalin a pathway to power.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2006, 07:37:32 PM »

Putin=Freedom Fighter
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2006, 11:36:28 PM »

Ya know something I find funny.

A lot of anti-war people who renounce violence and preach peace and love etc...love people like Che and Lenin. Yet when you tell them that these people engaged in the same kind of sadistic violence they protest against, it's as if it does matter at all.
The U.S. wouldn't exist as it does now if it weren't for the inital genocide of the native people, and later the agressive imperialism that allowed us to take this much land from Mexico by force:


Nearly every American president aided in the genocide of the natives until there were next to none left to be killed. Nearly every American president has signed off on military action that killed thousands of innocents needlessly.

Realistically, it's not that different than anything Soviet leaders did; we just did it more effectively than they did.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2006, 08:33:29 PM »

Bush looked into Putin's eyes and saw that he had a good soul, so I guess I have to vote for him.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2006, 12:05:12 PM »

MAP TIME:



Lenin:317 (50.08%)
Putin:221 (49.92%)

Putin scares the "wild + crazy voters" (think Las Vegas) as well as the "ACLU voters" (think New Hampshire) into voting for Lenin seeing as Putin is famous for scary crackdowns and denying freedoms.  Lenin scares the capitalist and conservative voters into voting for Putin because of Lenin's strong support of Communism.

Close states:Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Louisiana, Tennessee, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Montana, Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, Alaska.


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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2006, 12:48:47 PM »


I vote Putin, and Lenin wouldn't win a single state in an US presidential election.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2006, 04:42:08 PM »

Realistically, it's not that different than anything Soviet leaders did; we just did it more effectively than they did.

The problem with that argument is that we did it before humans evolved to understand human rights. During the time we were still locked in a primitive state of human mind that told us slavery was acceptable and that women were an inferior breed of human being; we didn’t know much better. The soviets on the other hand did their dirty deeds in the mid-1930s and 40s, post-evolution. They knew what they were doing, they just didn’t care. They were exterminating their citizens on the basis of paranoia.

Either way, this still doesn’t change the fact that people who where those stupid Che shirts while preaching an anti-war message are hypocrits of the most uninformed nature.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2006, 11:20:59 PM »

Lenin all day long.
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