Unified Federal Territories Sex Crimes Bill

[Speed of Sound]

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Actually, we do it just fine without bringing up Senator Santorum. Thanks anyway. We'll call you when your commentary is worth anything.

But you don't know my number! . Haha.  By the way it is 1-315-382-5968.  Call whenever!

I wouldnt do that. Last time a member posted thier phone number here...........   >_>

It isn't actually my phone number.  It is a message.

lol, thats good. Just checking.

[Hatman 🍁]

This bill is too flawed for my support. I don't know where to even begin.

[Democratic Hawk]

I will not support this bill unless the age of consent and the age to access pornography is raised to 18.

You can always introduce an amendment Phil.

I can't find much wrong this Bill but I do feel that the one year maximum jail sentence and/or a fine of no more than $2000 is grossly lenient for cases of bestiality, necrophilia and incest given the depravity of the crimes.  Might I suggest that five years and $10000 be more appropriate

'Hawk'

[MasterJedi]

I will not support this bill unless the age of consent and the age to access pornography is raised to 18.

You can always introduce an amendment Phil.

I can't find much wrong this Bill but I do feel that the one year maximum jail sentence and/or a fine of no more than $2000 is grossly lenient for cases of bestiality, necrophilia and incest given the depravity of the crimes.  Might I suggest that five years and $10000 be more appropriate

'Hawk'

If you write the amendment I'll support it.

[Democratic Hawk]

I, hereby, introduce the following amendment [changes shown in green ]:

Section 4: Bestiality
The act of bestiality, which is defined as gross sexual imposition, sexual assault, or the committing of a deviant sexual act with an animal that is not a human being, shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of bestiality shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000

Section 5: Penetration of a Human Corpse
1. Sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000 .  Appropriate penalties relating to restrictions on cemetery visits and in particular contact with the family of the person whose corpse has been defiled may be applied by juries as they see fit.
2. "Sexual acts relating to necrophilia" is defined as:
(a) a person intentionally performing an act of penetration with a part of his or her body or anything else,
(b) what is penetrated is a part of the body of a dead person,
(c) the person knows that, or is reckless as to whether, that is what is penetrated, and
(d) the penetration is sexual, and in particular not for medical, scientific, forensic or investigative reasons.

Section 6: Incest
1. No two people or group of persons who are closely biologically related may engage in sexual relations with each other.  Any person found guilty of willingly violating this law shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000
2. "Closely biologically related" is defined as to restrict sexual actions between a person and his or her biological mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, first cousin, niece, nephew, daughter, son, granddaughter, grandson, great-granddaughter, great-grandson, great-grandmother, or great-grandfather.

These changes are to reflect the depravity of the aforesaid crimes. The original penalties for beastiality, necrophilia and incest are in my humble opinion way too lenient. Punishment should reflect the nature of the crime

'Hawk'

[Democratic Hawk]

I vote Aye on my amendment in abstentia

'Hawk'

[Speed of Sound]

I dont know quite how this works, so if Im wrong tell me, but Id like to introduce an amendment as well. Changes also in green.


Unified Federal Territories Sex Crimes Bill


Section 5: Penetration of a Human Corpse
1. Sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of sexual acts relating to necrophilia without written consent from the person,[/b] shall be sentenced to no more than one year in jail and/or shall be fined no more than $2000.  Appropriate penalties relating to restrictions on cemetery visits and in particular contact with the family of the person whose corpse has been defiled may be applied by juries as they see fit.
2. "Sexual acts relating to necrophilia" is defined as:
(a) a person intentionally performing an act of penetration with a part of his or her body or anything else,
(b) what is penetrated is a part of the body of a dead person,
(c) the person knows that, or is reckless as to whether, that is what is penetrated, and
(d) the penetration is sexual, and in particular not for medical, scientific, forensic or investigative reasons.
3. Due to known health risks involved, even with consent, any acts of necrophilia must happen within 24 hours of the death, and the person must be clear of any disease.
Section 6: Incest
1. No two people or group of persons who are closely biologically related may engage in sexual relations with each other.  Any person found guilty of willingly violating this law shall be sentenced to no more than one year in jail and/or shall be fined no more than $2000.
2. "Closely biologically related" is defined as to restrict sexual actions between a person and his or her biological mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, first cousin, niece, nephew, daughter, son, granddaughter, grandson, great-granddaughter, great-grandson, great-grandmother, or great-grandfather.

Section 7: Pornography
It shall be legal for persons of 10 years of age or older, with parental permission, or 16 years of age or older, without parental permisssion to buy, possess and view pornography depicting only persons of 18 years of age or older.

[MasterJedi]

No offense but that amendment is horrific. I can't in good concience support it.

[Hatman 🍁]

I support Hawks' ammendments. Actually, I would recommend the penalty for beastiality to be much higher than the others. It is much worse than incest and necrophilia.

[jerusalemcar5]

I'd suggest the following changes to your amendment SoS:

Section 7: Pornography
It shall be legal for persons of ages 12-14, with parental notification, or 15 years of age or older, without parental notification to buypossess and view pornography depicting only persons of 18 years of age or older.


I cannot picture a more awkward or impossible conversation than asking one's parents for pornography.  Notification still bugs me, but I feel it is more appropriate.

[Speed of Sound]

No offense but that amendment is horrific. I can't in good concience support it.

I didnt ask for your support, I asked or it to be voted on. I realize that I will probaby be the only person to vote yea, Ok, I will definetly be the only person to vote yea, but I felt that it was the right thing to do, so I threw it out there.

[MasterJedi]

No offense but that amendment is horrific. I can't in good concience support it.

I didnt ask for your support, I asked or it to be voted on. I realize that I will probaby be the only person to vote yea, Ok, I will definetly be the only person to vote yea, but I felt that it was the right thing to do, so I threw it out there.

It will be voted on but there is a debate time on amendments you know. I was just stating that I won't be supporting it because I think it's horrific.  You have every right to introduce any amendment you want and it will get voted on but we all can state our opinions.

[Speed of Sound]

No offense but that amendment is horrific. I can't in good concience support it.

I didnt ask for your support, I asked or it to be voted on. I realize that I will probaby be the only person to vote yea, Ok, I will definetly be the only person to vote yea, but I felt that it was the right thing to do, so I threw it out there.

It will be voted on but there is a debate time on amendments you know. I was just stating that I won't be supporting it because I think it's horrific.  You have every right to introduce any amendment you want and it will get voted on but we all can state our opinions.

I understand and encourage it. I was merely standing up for the amendment, which I find to be an important leap in sexual rights and moral change in Atlasia.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the vote on these amendments in green. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

Section 4: Bestiality
The act of bestiality, which is defined as gross sexual imposition, sexual assault, or the committing of a deviant sexual act with an animal that is not a human being, shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of bestiality shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000

Section 5: Penetration of a Human Corpse
1. Sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000 .  Appropriate penalties relating to restrictions on cemetery visits and in particular contact with the family of the person whose corpse has been defiled may be applied by juries as they see fit.
2. "Sexual acts relating to necrophilia" is defined as:
(a) a person intentionally performing an act of penetration with a part of his or her body or anything else,
(b) what is penetrated is a part of the body of a dead person,
(c) the person knows that, or is reckless as to whether, that is what is penetrated, and
(d) the penetration is sexual, and in particular not for medical, scientific, forensic or investigative reasons.

Section 6: Incest
1. No two people or group of persons who are closely biologically related may engage in sexual relations with each other.  Any person found guilty of willingly violating this law shall be sentenced to five years in jail and/or shall be fined $10000
2. "Closely biologically related" is defined as to restrict sexual actions between a person and his or her biological mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, first cousin, niece, nephew, daughter, son, granddaughter, grandson, great-granddaughter, great-grandson, great-grandmother, or great-grandfather.

[MasterJedi]

Aye


And here's Hawk's abstentee vote from earlier in the thread:

I vote Aye on my amendment in abstentia

'Hawk'

[Hatman 🍁]

I think I will abstain, considering I agree with increasing the penalties on beastiality, but it is too harsh for the other acts.

Also, I think I have to agree with SoS's amendments at the risk of sounding like opebo. If you think about it, if consent is given, what is the big problem? Sure, it's disgusting, but if consent is given. Also, the pornography thing is good too, because let's face it most teenagers look at porn, so why do we need to penalize teenagers for doing so?

[Bono]

So, why can't our territories vote in their own laws regarding "sex crimes"?
What is the need for federal legislation here?

[ilikeverin]

Yup on Hawk's amendment

Nope on SoS's amendment if it comes up when I'm away

Yup on the final bill if it comes up when I'm away, if in its original form or if Hawk's amendment passes; Nope if SoS's amendment passes

[Speed of Sound]

Nay on Hawks amendment.

[MasterJedi]

Vote Tally- Hawk's Amendment

3 Aye (Dave Hawk, MasterJedi, Ilikeverin)
1 Nay (Speed of Sound)
1 Abtain (EarlAW)

[WMS]

Aye on Hawk's amendment.

[Democratic Hawk]

So, why can't our territories vote in their own laws regarding "sex crimes"?
What is the need for federal legislation here?

Because they are "federal" territories, which do not form part of any Region

Did you, for example, question the Expansion of Gun Rights Act (OK, granted this had constitutional justification by virtue of the Second Amendment) or the Abortion Restriction in Federal Territories Act on the same grounds or do you just cry "What is the need for federal legislation here?" when it suits you?

'Hawk'

[Bacon King]

Aye on hawks amendment.

[MasterJedi]

This amendment has passed.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the vote on this amendment, changes are in green. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

Section 5: Penetration of a Human Corpse
1. Sexual acts relating to necrophilia shall be illegal.  Any person found guilty of sexual acts relating to necrophilia without written consent from the person,[/b] shall be sentenced to no more than one year in jail and/or shall be fined no more than $2000.  Appropriate penalties relating to restrictions on cemetery visits and in particular contact with the family of the person whose corpse has been defiled may be applied by juries as they see fit.
2. "Sexual acts relating to necrophilia" is defined as:
(a) a person intentionally performing an act of penetration with a part of his or her body or anything else,
(b) what is penetrated is a part of the body of a dead person,
(c) the person knows that, or is reckless as to whether, that is what is penetrated, and
(d) the penetration is sexual, and in particular not for medical, scientific, forensic or investigative reasons.
3. Due to known health risks involved, even with consent, any acts of necrophilia must happen within 24 hours of the death, and the person must be clear of any disease.
Section 6: Incest
1. No two people or group of persons who are closely biologically related may engage in sexual relations with each other.  Any person found guilty of willingly violating this law shall be sentenced to no more than one year in jail and/or shall be fined no more than $2000.
2. "Closely biologically related" is defined as to restrict sexual actions between a person and his or her biological mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, first cousin, niece, nephew, daughter, son, granddaughter, grandson, great-granddaughter, great-grandson, great-grandmother, or great-grandfather.

Section 7: Pornography
It shall be legal for persons of 10 years of age or older, with parental permission, or 16 years of age or older, without parental permisssion to buy, possess and view pornography depicting only persons of 18 years of age or older.