Granholm's Veto of the Law to repeal the MI helmet law

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

She just vetoed it today, and we debated it in the General U.S. Discussion, so I'm curious what you think.  Personally I think that she'll probably lose about 3%, b/c people don't want to wear them, but also don't like the tickets (where it really hurts her); however, I agree with her veto.

[© tweed]

I can't see why this would be a big issue, but I'm not that familiar with Michigan politics so my opinion is flawed.

[Dave from Michigan]

this won't have an effect on the election or a really small one.


Inks.LWC  your from Wayne county too!!!!!!!!

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I can't see why this would be a big issue, but I'm not that familiar with Michigan politics so my opinion is flawed.

Here's the effect--we have laws and laws that are costing (bad) drivers more and more $$, but are roads are worse than dirt roads (9iron will confirm this).  I think people are going to see this as just another way for the state to make more $$, but not put it to good use.

[Flying Dog]

I doubt much opinions will change. People already have opinions of Granholm and this veto will not change them for the better or worse.

[WalterMitty]

while ive endorsed the mlm scammer in the november election, i applaud granholm for the veto of such a senseless bill.

[Mr. Paleoconservative]

This veto will likely have no effect on the election, but I personally disagree with her veto.  If people wish to risk their lives that is their business, and I have heard from many bike (motor) riders that wearing the helmet often makes it dangerous for them to ride because it alters their senses in a negative way.

[Q]

I have heard from many bike (motor) riders that wearing the helmet often makes it dangerous for them to ride because it alters their senses in a negative way.

Are they wearing it on their head or smoking it?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

This veto will likely have no effect on the election, but I personally disagree with her veto.  If people wish to risk their lives that is their business, and I have heard from many bike (motor) riders that wearing the helmet often makes it dangerous for them to ride because it alters their senses in a negative way.

How does it alter their senses, other than MAYBE sound?

[Nym90]

I choose no effect.  Most people are comfortable with the law.  My second choice would be a little bit of negative effect if she passed it.  It is a non partisian issue as we found on your other thread.  This would have been a major foot in the door for Mr. DeVos as he could say he wanted to keep Michiganders safe.  I think only a handfull of people want it repealed and they kick up a stink every year.  One thing for sure, the insurance industry is so in favor of the helmet law, that I doubt any legislator or governor could resist the lobbying.

The insurance industry's support of it is one of the best reasons to oppose it if you ask me.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Inks.LWC  your from Wayne county too!!!!!!!!

Just curious--where do you live?

[Dave from Michigan]

Inks.LWC  your from Wayne county too!!!!!!!!

Just curious--where do you live?

Plymouth

[MaC]

Inks, as I'm sure your definitely concerned about the next election, why is there a knee-jerk poll for every minor action or quote?  Lot of these things don't matter in the 'grand scheme'.

[Frodo]

I have no familiarity whatsoever with Michigan politics, but given the facts given so far, I support her veto.

[Flying Dog]

I have no problem with self-rights and personal freedeoms at all, except when I have to pick up the tab.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Inks, as I'm sure your definitely concerned about the next election, why is there a knee-jerk poll for every minor action or quote?  Lot of these things don't matter in the 'grand scheme'.

I don't hink there's a poll for every minor action or quote.  I posted this almost a week ago, and I don't think anything since.

If anybody cares, here's that Mike Thompson cartoon:

[Nym90]

I tend to not get too excited about the insurance industry either.

Of course, since it did pass the house and senate, only a governor stands in the way of its repeal.

I have to disagree about saying that it is ones own business on several fronts.

For one, the cost to society in $$$$ is enormous.  While many tend to say that lawsuits are raising health insurance cost.  It is catastrophic claims that strain our healthcare costs more than anything else (or, so I learned from a healthcare administrator).  A rider involved in a severe closed head injury costs insurance companies huge sums of money which gets passed on to us.  And of course, they wouldn't want to dip into those outrageous prifits, so they raise the rates for you and I.  Those without insurance will raise the cost of hospital opperations because many, if not most, will not pay their bills.  Those on state assistance will, of course, effect our taxes in the long run.

Second, the human effect is is enormous.  Anybody who has ever cared for someone with a severe head injury can tell you this.  No matter what side of the Terry Scheivo case you are on, this is what you can end up with.

These cases are assuming that you live, of course.

My neighbors are big time bikers and very serious about their helmets.  They tell me that they do impair your orrientation a little, but like anything else, you get used to it.  It is a small price to pay, just to not have the wind in your hair.

I'd strongly support taking all of the money currently spent on enforcement of the seat belt and helmet laws and use it for education campaigns to persuade people about how stupid it is to not wear a seat belt or not use a helmet. And of course children should be required to use both.

Since removal of these laws would result in a loss of revenue for the police, I'd support a slightly higher income tax (especially for those on the higher end of the spectrum) to make up for the lost revenue.

But I just think that punishing people for not wearing a belt or a helmet is the exact wrong way to go about reducing these behaviors. Carrots are far more effective than sticks as a solution to this problem.