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« on: November 29, 2013, 08:01:58 pm »

To All:

Probably "opinion of" threads about a race, or for that matter any ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or even of a class, are a bad idea. You see, except for perhaps rich white people, we start to get on very thin ground, particularly if someone has a negative opinion. We had/have a bit of a contretemps about a poster who arguably has a negative opinion of poor people. Report, after report, after report. Do you see where I am going with this?

So I respectfully request that such threads not be put up. If someone feels a compelling need, in a given context to do one that gets close to the line on this, I suggest you PM me first.

Outside of personal attacks, I normally am pretty much a laissez faire type Mod, and often let stuff go by, unless it is reported, and then I need to be fair to both the reporter and the reportee, and hew to policy. But on this one, I just see trouble down the road with this genre of "opinion of" threads, and I want to try to nip it in the bud, before someone gets hurt, and many get offended, and more feuds are fueled.

Thanks for listening.

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 02:35:14 pm »
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Good post.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 12:14:59 pm »

I deleted two posts. I take no real exception to their being made in the first instance, but they are inappropriate to remain for a long half life. Folks can make comments for feedback purposes and/or discussion or reaction or whatever, but if the post does not help elucidate or clarify the policy, or explain it, such posts will not remain as a permanent fixture on this "stickied" thread. That is the way I am balancing the competing considerations on this one.
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2013, 05:34:49 pm »
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What do you mean, we can't express any objections to your censorship?
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2013, 08:30:58 pm »

I think what I said was quite clear, opebo. Take it elsewhere than this thread please.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 09:11:30 pm »
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So what shall we discuss on this board? Tea and crumpets?
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 09:15:06 pm »
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So what shall we discuss on this board? Tea and crumpets?

That's a category, therefore it's prohibited.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 03:24:26 am »
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Can we get the official list of topics we're still allowed to discuss on this forum? It might be easier to go about it that way.
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2013, 11:25:27 am »
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Can we get the official list of topics we're still allowed to discuss on this forum? It might be easier to go about it that way.

Okay, here is the list :

1. Kitties
2. Puppies
3. Other Nice Things Everybody Likes
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 02:00:30 am »
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Shouldn't this thread have a poll?
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 10:44:20 am »
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Anyway, just thought I'd comment on this thread.

I can certainly understand how threads on these sorts of things can lead to some unsavory comments made of certain controversial nature that can trigger unpleasant emotions in people who are members thereof.  However, unlike the moderator who has come on here to defend his regime, I would say that if anything this rationale is more a reason why these types of threads should not only be allowed, but be encouraged.  There are quite a few people on here, I am quite convinced, who are natural bigots who use the guise of enlightenment and supporting "the right side" to mask their bigotry.  Threads asking about these sorts of things is an easy way to out them, though if they are wise they will refrain from revealing their hate filled supremacist view of the world.
As it is, they get away with too much in general discussion by claiming "but many (insert x here) were (insert x here)!" without owning up to, or even just outright admitting that they don't like (insert x here).  I for one would applaud revealing these hypocrites to the world, and then bashing the hell out of them.

If anything, the OP demonstrates why we need to get rid of the "Report" button, which more often not is an instrument of the malformed in the mind to repress views that they don't like rather than legitimate violations of the rules.
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2014, 11:30:18 am »
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Franknburger noted on another thread that there are specific guidelines from Leip. The reporting feature is a specific element of his guidelines as to when certain types of posts should be deleted or modified.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 01:07:24 am »
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Could a thread on this work:

What do you think would be the hardest on you, and which do you think would be the easiest on you? Being a different sexuality than you are now, being a different race than you are now, or being a different gender than you are now?

(Basically a different way to get people to reflect on what's currently worse in American society... racism, sexism, or homophobia)
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2014, 03:22:32 pm »

Could a thread on this work:

What do you think would be the hardest on you, and which do you think would be the easiest on you? Being a different sexuality than you are now, being a different race than you are now, or being a different gender than you are now?

(Basically a different way to get people to reflect on what's currently worse in American society... racism, sexism, or homophobia)

I see nothing beyond the pale as to that kind of thread.  It is not asking about the merits of a group as to which having a negative opinion would raise issues, but rather a personal question about how one might navigate having been dealt a different deck of cards than one was in fact dealt.
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